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Poise and propriety (he/him)

@e-rated-beardo

"Beardo, I say this with love. You do not have poise and propriety. You're a smut writer who falls over when somebody flirts with you." Find me on ao3: https://archiveofourown.org/users/beardo
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redportrait

me, having deeply fallen out of the practice of writing poetry: I can’t write any more, I am now a Talentless Hack

the voice of my 11th grade journalism/12th grade creative writing teacher who rly did know everything: if you stop writing for a while the words will build up and stagnate. to clear the water, you will have to open the dam completely, and accept the fact that what initially comes out will not be palatable

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m-s-harris

This. This is so true. Starting again is more important than what you actually write. You are rusty. You’ll build up momentum again. All you need to do is start.

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The excerpt paragraph made me look up and stare at my wife for three solid minutes waiting for them to return to the couch. I couldn’t move on with my life. I had to read it aloud to them to their audible disgust and then they read all the comments with unbridled delight.

Now we keep repeating “Like Zorro.”

Psst, need that Smut Writer Imposter Syndrome cured? Read this.

(obligatory "not yucking your yum" because I'm sure SOMEONE besides the writer is into that, but it's also not going to win any erotica/smut writing awards)

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phoen1xr0se

This is, in fact, reassuring, as I begin to step into the shallow waters of the E rating...

This man's writing has one (1) single positive quality and that is to make any other writer immediately think "no, you know what, I'm really not bad actually", and I think that's kind of beautiful.

Everything else about that man's writing is deeply, deeply cursed. Like Zorro

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scionshtola

fic writing friends. do scenes tend to come to you visually, like a lil movie in your mind, or do they like. come to you in the form of words already

Like a little movie in my mind. Sadly I cannot yet translate what I see and hear into words that can live up to what I imagine.

Movies. I even see specific camera shots.

Both. The really annoying thing is that it's both

Sometimes, I'll see a whole detailed scene visually, or I'll choreograph it out or something and then it's a game of frustration to get that shit on paper. Other times it'll come into my brain like free form poetry, (almost) fully formed. (And I'll inevitably find something anatomically/geographically/logically/... impossible, once I read it back. And it never gets me anywhere plot wise.)

Usually, the film-in-my-head situation happens when I'm sitting down specifically to write an event that I've planned for. The fully-formed-poetry usually happens when I'm spitballing for ideas and thinking about vibes, and always only after I've been stuck for a few days.

The first few paragraphs of my stories are usually poetry writing, and wherever anything Happens, it's film.

Sometimes it's neither, because I had something that needs to be in there but I can't visualise it and the words don't happen so I end up laying it out and slogging through point by point like an academic fucking essay. I could point at specific chapters in Nice And Ominous which are exactly that. It always makes me frustrated and super uncertain about the result

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neil-gaiman

What do you do (if you do get this) when you have an environment building in your head but no actual plot? Because right now I've got good ideas for the evolution of a fantasy world (literal natural science type evolution and evolution of societies) but no idea what plot to actually put in said world. Or is this one of those moments where you write down what you do have and wait for a plot to come to you?

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Plots often need people, rather than just places. I'd think about them.

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Honestly this makes me think of Tolkien. Didn't he first create the languages of Middle Earth, then (or maybe simultaneously?) the peoples that spoke them, and then was like, well, I'd better write some myths in this world I've come up with now, don't I?

Pretty sure I've read somewhere that Tolkien had the world first, the peoples after, and the story and characters later.

(To be clear, I can't write like that. But apparently, it's possible for some people.)

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nochd

Not exactly. Tolkien started with the Elvish languages (as they would eventually become), but he very quickly started writing poems in them, and thinking about a mythology for the poems to point to. It was Tolkien's philosophy, and the philosophy of the writing circle he belonged to (the Inklings), that language and mythology go hand-in-hand; you can't have one without the other.

What fools people about Tolkien's writing process is that yes, he spent much of the 1920s and 30s writing what would eventually become the background lore for The Lord of the Rings. But the thing is, he didn't intend it to be background lore for anything; he wanted to get it published in its own right.

In the meantime he also wrote stories to read to his children. Some of them he also shared with his writer friends, work colleagues, and students. Occasionally he would borrow names or story elements from his serious mythology to put in his children's stories. A student of his showed one of the children's stories to a friend of hers who worked for a publisher, and between them they managed to persuade Tolkien to get it published. It was of course The Hobbit.

Over the course of the next few years Tolkien tried to get some of his mythological narrative poetry published as well. The publisher's response, after getting some reader feedback, was a very polite and tactful rendition on the theme of "This is pretty but no-one wants to buy it, how's your Hobbit sequel getting on?"

Torn between the consumer demand for a Hobbit sequel and his own unkillable urge to write legends of the Elder Days, Tolkien spent the next eighteen years doing both at once.

Ah! Thank you for correcting my guesswork! 😊

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Writing advice from my uni teachers:

  • If your dialog feels flat, rewrite the scene pretending the characters cannot at any cost say exactly what they mean. No one says “I’m mad” but they can say it in 100 other ways.
  • Wrote a chapter but you dislike it? Rewrite it again from memory. That way you’re only remembering the main parts and can fill in extra details. My teacher who was a playwright literally writes every single script twice because of this.
  • Don’t overuse metaphors, or they lose their potency. Limit yourself.
  • Before you write your novel, write a page of anything from your characters POV so you can get their voice right. Do this for every main character introduced.
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writerlyn

This is legit good writing advice, especially the first bullet point! In playwriting class we did a bit where every bit of dialogue had to be an accusatory question and it was glorious.

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