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Cruisers Rock Combo[edit]

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 15:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Hairbrain Scheme[edit]

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fails WP:NMUSIC, article is built heavily on puffery, and is unsourced. Free Realist 9 (talk) 11:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can't find any evidence that this band were popular outside of Santa Barbara – any reviews I find are from local media [1], [2]. As far as I can see, they released one mini-album in 2006 and one full-length album in 2008, both on non-notable labels, before splitting up... Singer Grant Parsons' contact details suggest the band was active until January 2008 [3], I can find social media posts from 2009 saying "I miss this band" and their website was dead by 2011, according to the Wayback Machine. Richard3120 (talk) 15:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Helms[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSICIAN. No sources to speak of. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Julio Foolio[edit]

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No indication of awards or charted songs. No notable biographical details prior to his death. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete we don't need every ganga rapper who have been shot dead. Not notable enough — Iadmc ♫^talk 11:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nolan McGuire[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. A possible alternative to deletion would be a redirect, but I'm not sure what would be the best target. toweli (talk) 07:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AbdolReza Razmjoo[edit]

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A previous article on this person was deleted at AFD in 2020. This one is different enough such that CSD G4 doesn't apply, but I still don't think he has received enough significant coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. DanCherek (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Only sources I find are where to stream his songs. what's used now in the article doesn't seem helpful, a registration number and his own website, then some allmusic listings. Lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 03:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leo (band)[edit]

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There are a couple of marginal reviews of the band's album Nightmares, but not much else, nothing that suggests WP:BAND is satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I don't find any good-quality sources to use in the article, and Leo doesn't seem to meet any of the provisions in WP:NBAND. Geschichte (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mama Lion[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. Sources only mentioned in passing. Don't appear to have any charted or had a significant impact. Mdann52 (talk) 11:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Coverage in newspapers. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of that appears unrelated to the band. Mdann52 (talk) 14:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ATD: Merge or redirect to Lynn Carey, although that article has several issues on its own. Geschichte (talk) 19:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anima (band)[edit]

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Fails WP:BAND — doesn't appear to have "been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself". Popcornfud (talk) 07:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: possibly redirect to lead singer Ceylan Ertem? The band is mentioned in her article, and she seems to be individually notable. I don't think this group itself passes WP:NBAND, having only released one album in their short career. Richard3120 (talk) 15:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wo Wo[edit]

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I took a some time to dig sources and find the reason why this article meets WP:NSONG but can't find either. The song topped a non notable chart and hasn't been covered significantly in reliable news sources. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The song fails WP:NSONG and has not been discussed in reliable sources. The artist himself isn't notable. Apple Music chart is not a reliable chart. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There's no mention of coverage in established news sources or discussions by music critics. Waqar💬 17:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, because a redirect to Minz (a DAB that doesn't include the artist here) isn't an option. Native Mag has some coverage, and Bella Naija has an interview with Minz about the song. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zuby Nehty[edit]

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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. The article is also poorly sourced. FromCzech (talk) 08:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sigcov here: Opavsky Denik, Ceska televize, Novinky, Proglas, Lidovky... Clearly keep. Jdcooper (talk) 00:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freaky Tah[edit]

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Not notable enough for own article (no content therein outside of his death) with no individual discography or independent coverage. If not outright deletion, a redirect to Lost Boyz will suffice. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 22:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Lost Boyz: I don't see enough for Freaky Tah to have his own article. Redirect is fine. Oaktree b (talk) 23:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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VL Mike[edit]

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Fails WP:NMUSIC as individual artist. Connected purely to Chopper City Boyz with no notable coverage or discography, and like Freaky Tah, any ongoing coverage centers around his death more than his music. Redirect to Chopper City Boyz if not outright deletion. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 23:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wacotron[edit]

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Fails WP:NMUSIC with no viable independent coverage. Subject has no notable discography or label work and no chart activity, and article sources are primary. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 23:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Well, all four used in the article are RS, but the interview and the "listen to his music" don't help notability. The last two are trivial coverage and these are about all I can find, so not enough for musical notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's basically what I meant but I didn't do a good job verbalizing it. The sources are reliable but the content itself reads like it's primary (promotional in tone/press releases). 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 16:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Zero WP:SIGCOV. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Apart from working with Marshmello, subject appears to fail notability. —Mjks28 (talk) 12:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with Oaktree's analysis; there are sources that mention the subject, but none of the coverage appears significant enough to confer clear notability. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bash-n-the-Code[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 17:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question is the Keith Lancaster mentioned Keith Lancaster? It seems likely to me they're different people based on the genre and timing. Jclemens (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment they had quite a few charted songs, see [4], including biographical bit that could be used as source. Broc (talk) 20:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless sources can be found that prove the article meets WP:N and is not WP:OR. I find it hard to believe a "musical derivative" of a band not deemed notable enough to have its own article (Found Free), is itself notable. —Mjks28 (talk) 03:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Online I found this review, but this seems more like a blog. There are some coverage regarding shows, and on Newspapers.com all the coverage are of that nature. Mark Lee Townsend was a member by the way. Geschichte (talk) 04:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I found this but not much else. Contradicts information found here, but is worth checking out. ❤History Theorist❤ 01:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rob DePaola[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. I'm not sure what would be the better redirect target of the two bands mentioned in the article. toweli (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Honor System (band), as that band seemed to accomplish a little more. I'm not sure if his other band (The Broadways) is notable either. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dwaram Bhavanarayana Rao[edit]

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This seems to be a case of WP:INHERITED notability, given people largely talk about him in relation to his father. I can't check two of the sources here (and one is a WP:NOBITS) but the one I could find, as well as my searches of the internet returned no new sources for WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 19:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sean Taylor (singer-songwriter)[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:SINGER. Most references from same minor blog, some other interview on Google but all promotional. Orange sticker (talk) 08:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why has this page been submitted for deletion? It features an international touring artist, Sean Taylor and all of the references and resources are correct. I received an email from someone working from Wiki Crafter saying the page was scheduled for deletion ...

Please stop this page from deletion Sean Taylor Songs (talk) 07:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: This [5] and this [6] cover this individual. Not the best sourcing, but should be fine. Oaktree b (talk) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- "Not the best" is remarkably charitable. The former reference is an interview with the subject; the latter is mostly written by the subject. Rather than "not the best", perhaps "feeble". -- Hoary (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment have left User:Sean Taylor Songs notices on their talk page about WP:COI and the WP:AFD policies. Orange sticker (talk) 08:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as sources (incl. the ones found by Oaktree b) don't meet WP:GNG, and there's nothing in the article to suggest WP:MUSICBIO notability either. Haven't done a BEFORE, I assume OP did that, but happy to reconsider if someone presents some evidence of notability. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I found name checks (lists of artists who performed at a festival) and sales sites, and his own site (which has an identical paragraph to the opening one here). I do not know how significant the UK Blues Award is - I do find references to it in a search - but being nominated but not winning is surely not enough for notability. Lamona (talk) 05:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to mention that Oaktree b has found the best sources I've seen so far (which is not unexpected for this editor, whose contributions here on afd are among those I find most useful). Those sources are rather chatty and read more like interviews or conversations than true independent sources. They don't bring this bio up to GNG but I could be convinced that we're seeing TOO SOON. I still don't think we can keep this one as currently notable. Lamona (talk) 23:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cristian Marchi[edit]

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The article was marked in 2013 as requiring better citation, and has not progressed with citations nor with clear information about activity in the field. Nothing exists in native language wiki for the person and would appear to have been deleted on multiple occasions. One should seriously question the notability in a case like this. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no WP:RS showing significant coverage. Plenty of promotional articles in dubious sources repeating always the same information. Broc (talk) 07:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Rascals (producers)[edit]

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Could not find substantial coverage of the duo or recognition of their work, so no apparent notability by our standards. This should probably be redirected to Leon Thomas III since his article mentions the group multiple times and includes all the same credits. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Leon Thomas III. It turns out that the duo was nominated from a Grammy Award ([7]), though that seems not to have generated significant media coverage. I agree with the nominator that most of their media mentions are in articles about Leon Thomas, while his partner Khris Riddick-Tynes seems not to have done much outside of the partnership. It can all be described at Thomas's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had a feeling they would have a Grammy nod given the popularity of the artists they work with, but Grammy.com's search function broke recently so I couldn't find it there. Saw that article, but I must've missed the words "Grammy-nominated" in it. Thanks for the catch. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 13:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rojda Aykoç[edit]

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Her notability cannot be proven by independent and reliable sources. Only IFEX source is good, but it is not adequate for passing GNG. As a result of the research conducted on the person, it was not possible to find independent and reliable sources. Considering there are not enough resources, deletion is appropriate. Kadı Message 20:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep She is a notable singer, mostly known for musical performances in Kurdish. More than enough sources are available, from reliable news outlets like Rudaw, Evrensel, NTV, Hurriyet, Gazete Duvar

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These are promotional content for promote her new album. These sources do not contribute for passing notability criterias. You can read trwiki discussion by translating in order to see the analysis. Best wishes. Kadı Message 09:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as the references in the article and listed in the first AfD at the top left of this listing shows a pass of WP:GNG in my view, including a 25 minute radio programme about her. Also she still has an article on the Kurdish wikipedia, and the deletion on the Turkey wikipedia may have a political context, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Malcolm (composer)[edit]

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Two different Carlos Malcolms, the other of whom invented Ska music, make it hard to source this one. Doesn't seem very notable though. — Iadmc ♫^talk 18:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep The article currently cites two sources. I think this article provides significant coverage. The book Cuban Music from A to Z has a passing mention on page 65 and a one-paragraph description on page 129. I can provide the excerpt if needed. I think it could be given similar weight to a dictionary of national biography, where inclusion alone indicates notability. I also found this, a statement from a Cuban embassy, and this SPS (possible from a subject-matter expert), which don't count for much. This isn't a lot, but he's definitely a real musician who's composed some stuff and has probably had some musical impact. Toadspike [Talk] 19:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More marginally helpful sources: [8] (kinda self-published, again might be a SME), this (not sure if it's about the right guy). Toadspike [Talk] 19:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also found two mentions in this book chapter, one of which cites a paper as "Brouwer, “La vanguardia en la música cubana,” Boletín Música no. 1 (1970): 3". I cannot find that paper anywhere. Although these are just passing mentions, they confirm that Malcolm was part of the "1960s Cuban musical vanguardia" and moved to Poland (which was apparently common for Cuban musicians, as Poland was less "conservative" than alternatives in socialist Eastern Europe). Toadspike [Talk] 10:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Toadspike. Not sure how helpful these are as they are just passing mentions. Keep looking though! — Iadmc ♫^talk 10:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Melody & Harmony[edit]

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Not yet notable per WP:BAND, with no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, just a few album reviews on music blogs. Wikishovel (talk) 05:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: One look at their Spotify page will show you they have 2 monthly listeners, clearly not WP:N. However, I don't want to be too rash when arguing for delete, and in this case, I think we could draftify the article so it can be improved, and inevitably apply for submission if/when the band becomes more notable. —Mjks28 (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasmin Lucas[edit]

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This article about a Brazilian singer covers the subject's early career as a child / teenage performer but not the later appearance as a contestant on The Voice Brasil, performing by then as Lais Yasmin. Although this article instance is sourced only to primary social media, its basic details are verifiable in this 2018 online article associated with The Voice appearance. However I don't see the evidence needed to meet the WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. AllyD (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Also adding a source search for the subject's later performing name. AllyD (talk) 09:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sourcing now in the article is social media or primary sources. I don't find anything about this person. Nothing for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 11:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TwoTiime[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. No discography or chart activity, and no third-party independent coverage. Sources are all primary, consisting of promotional interviews, press releases, and subject's hometown publication (Ottawa Citizen). 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 04:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The Ottawa Citzen article was reliable, but there is no widespread coverage in reliable source about this person or their music. No charted songs or notable awards. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I created the article but I'll comment anyways. Meets WP:BASIC. There are at least two in-depth Complex articles ([9] [10]) - Complex is a recommended source at WP:A/S and is independent of the subject. There are many in-depth HipHopCanada articles ([11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17]) which are independent of the subject. There are multiple in-depth HotNewHipHop sources ([18] [19] [20] [21] [22] ) - HotNewHipHop is also a recommended source per WP:A/S. This isn't including the many Ottawa Citizen articles which are all independent and reliable, or any of the interviews that add little additional commentary. Doesn't have to meet a SNG if it meets GNG/BASIC. I don't see how this is controversial. C F A 💬 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another issue is that the article also reads like a promotional piece, with nothing therein showing why he’s actually notable. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 03:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A non-neutral tone is not a reason for deletion, though. It can be fixed through editing. I think it’s pretty clear the subject meets GNG, regardless of any SNGs that might apply. C F A 💬 10:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rheji Burrell[edit]

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I am not sure how this article looked back in 2012 when the first AfD came about, but now the article is confusing because it doesn't seem to know whether it wants to be about Mr. Burrell alone or about him and his brother. At any rate, the article discusses a non-notable production team(?) whose own discography hasn't seen them ever having charted; and the list of albums that they supposedly produced for other artists isn't sourced. It doesn't help that the article reads like the brothers themselves wrote it. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 04:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. In 2012, the article looked pretty much the same as now. It still needs work, obviously, but WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. I see no reason to disagree with the earlier consensus on notability, which is not lost, and the adequate sourcing turned up in WP:BEFORE searches done during the first AfD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Beyond this [23], I don't find anything about this person or the pair of them. Oaktree b (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Stetina[edit]

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I nominated this before but it was closed as no consensus since there were no other participates. Same reasoning as before applies: fails WP:MUSICBIO and quite promotional. Can’t find any in-depth sources on the subject. The cited Washington Post article [24] is about the subject’s father, Wayne Stetina. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~ Strong Delete. I suggest that, if nobody comes to support it, it should be considered as a prod. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. This subject is not notable enough for an article. Qflib (talk) 03:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To be notable through publishing works on how to play guitar, we would need in-depth published reviews of those works, and I don't see them. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very Weak Keep on a hunch (i.e., easily overruled). Coverage is basically blog and genre-magazine style, which needs a lot to add up to notability, but there is a lot out there (even discounting some that seem more like PR/Press-release interview type). Head of department (conservatories often don't have traditional academic ranks) but of a small department. Each part of his career adds up to slightly less than the relevant notability guideline, but together they peek just over the edge for me. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any non-blog, non-PR sources you would like to share? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He is well known in the guitar community and among musicians for his instruction releases. The problem is that this article is poorly sourced so I can see why it attracts a deletion nom. I know that his Left-Handed Guitar: The Complete Method by Stetina, Troy (2001) is quite popular. Yes of course, it takes more than good sales. His Fretboard Mastery was very popular too. He's had articles about him in various guitar mags both paper and online. The Guitarist magazine March 1993 is one. He had article beside Dominic Miller and Tony Zemaitis as you can see. The Guitar Noise website which is a huge go-to source for axmen and axeladies refers to Stetina as an "internationally recognized guitarist and music educator". There's others too but I don't want to get too caught up with this one. Further info below
* This is from the magazine, Modern Drummer, September 1993 - Page 106 SPEED AND THRASH METAL DRUM METHOD by Troy Stetina and Charlie Busher.
* And there's an article by Stetina published in Guitar One, Volume 9, No 2 February 2006 - Page 176 RETURN OF THE SHRED Come Together Two Essential Hybrid Scales
There's more but searching gets flooded with the dozens of releases he has had put out. Karl Twist (talk) 12:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Those two books on Amazon have about 200 reviews each. This one is ranked 16,000+ in Music Instruction & Study. By no stretch of the imagination are these "popular" books and they don't contribute to notability.
- Is this an article he wrote?
- 1) The Guitar Noise website seems to be just a group blog about how to play the guitar. 2) The link you gave is just him responding to someone else's comment. That "internationally recognized" line is a promotional line he wrote himself (as per his own website).
- The two articles in Modern Drummer and Guitar one are articles written by Stetina not articles about Stetina. They don't contribute to notability. You would need to find in-depth articles about Stetina.
Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Amazon books have more reviews than releases by so-called main-stream artists. They do appear to be quite popular! And I wasn't trying to use them as proof of notability. Just to give an idea of what the guy's exposure is. Somebody in Germany must have heard of him, there's a German Wikipedia article (needs work) See here.
Forget the Guitar Noise one, that wasn't the one I meant to put in. Sorry. It was another online music news source. I have to try and remember. There was also a reliable source good size review on that I thought I had put in but for the life of me it's vanished. I went back though the page history and it isn't there. Maybe I thought I did. Perhaps it was on notepad, and I closed it before I had edited it in. It was similar to the Fret 12 review but not related to the sale of the product. The Modern Drummer (if it isn't about him) and Guitar One still show his profile. They are well-respected and notable publications. Well, there's no article page for Guitar One yet.
The articles below are relaible,

OnMilwaukee, Apr 07, 2005 - Despite impressive resume, Stetina lacks name recognition at home By Bobby Tanzilo

Metal Shock Finland, October 13, 2011 - Interview with TROY STETINA: Music truly is the world’s best hope to cross borders, cross cultures and show humanity what we have in common. Interview by Mohsen Fayyazi

Maximum Ink Madison's music magazine, September 2012 - Second Soul
AN INTERVIEW WITH TROY STETINA OF SECOND SOUL BY MIKE HUBERTY

Guitariste Metal, 3 Octobre 2014 - Troy Stetina interview
And these below are helpful,

The Journal Times, Sep 25, 2013 - Center Stage /Oversoulss /5-19 - By Loreen Mohr

The Journal Times, - Center Stage/Oversoulss - By Loreen Mohr
Easily notable! He's had a huge influence on a good amount of major notable guitarists. I can find more but I have been drawn into this as I do sometimes and have neglected other stuff.
Thanks
Karl Twist (talk) 11:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but almost all of those sources are interviews with the subject. Interviews are considered primary sources and they don’t contribute to notability. The only non-interview source in there is the Journal Times article. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again Dr. Swag Lord . Well actually the first part of the OnMilwaukee article is not interview. The subject was researched (as it's the normal procedure) before the interview was conducted. And if considered primary, it's not like it's from the subject's own site anyway. Yes, I understand that primary sources and sources related to the subject themselves cannot be used to support content in a page. By that's not what we're looking at. We're looking at the status of the subject and the reliable sources that support the assertion that he is a notable person. The Maximum Ink is similar. Well, the first 196 worlds / 15 sentences (not including the title) are about him and not by him. The interview is secondary. There are two Journal Times articles. Then there's the Modern Drummer article by Matt Pieken about his book-cd combo, Speed and Thrash Metal Drum Method that he did with Charlie Bushor. It's about his work, not written by him.
Going on what user Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert said earlier with "together they peek just over the edge", well with what I've come up with, the interviews by respected news sources etc., his contributions to major music magazines etc., collectively they well and truly sit on top of the table. And the Modern Drummer review proves it more. And this below, a C&P of what I edited into the article page,
According to La Scena Musicale, Stetina was booked along with Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, and Jonathan Kreisberg to appear at the Wilson Center Guitar Competition & Festival which ran from August 13 to 15, 2015, at the Sharon Lynne Wilson Center for the Arts. La Scena Musicale, 3 August 2015 - International Guitar Legends Headlining Wilson Center Guitar Competition & Festival: 2015 Artists include Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, Jonathan Kreisberg, Troy Stetina
It's obvious when Stetina is mentioned in the same headline such as these premier artists, he's well and widely known in various fields and notable. His volume of work speaks for itself, especially when artists such as Mark Tremonti, Michael Angelo Batio, Bill Peck, and Eric Friedman appear on Troy Stetina: The Sound and the Story etc. etc.. For him not to be notable would be an exception to the rule.

Karl Twist (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Modern Drummer article is a short review of one of Stetina’s books. It has no in-depth content of the subject’s life or activities.

Please note, the article in La Scena Musicale is an example of WP:SPONSORED content. At the bottom of the article it states: “LSM Newswire is La Scena's Newswire service. Organizations can post a press release on our website for a fee. See the media kit at our advertising page at https://myscena.org/advertising”. Since that is an ad paid for by the band it is not RS and does not add to notability.

You say there’s two Journal Times articles, but you linked to the same one twice.

Please take a look at WP:NOTINHERITED. Just because the subject has been associated with notable individuals does not make him notable himself.

Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On a further note, “metalshockfinland.com” and “guitariste-metal.fris” are certainly not RSs (obviously blog sources). Also, Maximum Ink seems WP:QS at best. There’s no published editorial board, no published editorial policies. Additionally, it’s quite suspicious that the article links to the Wikipedia page of Tony Stetina and links to places where you can purchase Stetina’s CD (seems pretty promotional to me). Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 00:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Modern Drummer review isn't what I would call short. It's an acceptable size. It's not supposed to be about an "in-depth content of the subject’s life or activities". It's a review of his work.

Ok if one of them such as La Scena Musicale is an example of WP:SPONSORED content. There's enough of the other! And as I mentioned with Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert saying "but together they peek just over the edge for me", I go further and say there's enough reliable stuff to sit him on top of the table!

Sorry my bad about the Journal Times. Yes, it was one article. There was the additional updated page.

Well the WP:NOTINHERITED would be the card to pull out if there were no other good supporting info about him. But thankfully there is! The point I made about him being associated with notable individuals was that he is regarded as prominent.

“metalshockfinland.com” and “guitariste-metal.fris” are possibly blog type in format. But the first one has been used to reference around fifty+ pages here, (most of them about heavy metal no surprise) and is a respected source of info.

Nothing suspicious or promotional about the German page for Troy Stetina. Because he's been so prolific with his published works, the searches get flooded with them and for someone who has German as a first language and English as second, this is how a page would be likely to add up. I'm not going to make any assertions about lazy editing because I'm not going to judge an editor's ability. I'd just go with the language thing.
Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 09:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well since the topic of this article is Troy Stetina, the Modern Dummer review fails WP:SIGCOV. There’s no material about Stetina specifically. If you really think metal shock Finland is an RS, then I think I’ll open up a discussion on RSN. Also, I never mentioned the German Wikipedia page—I was referencing the Maximum Ink article that has a link at the bottom directing us to Stetina’s en WP page. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I opened a RSN discussion on the above source: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#metalshockfinland Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 22:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Modern Drummer article doesn't fail anything! It's just a good review of a release of his. A review in a well-respected publication. Actually, you said earlier (18:29, 11 June 2024) that it was written by him. It was actually written by Matt Pieken. And actually, I believe that somewhere here someone said that there were no reviews of his work. Well there's the Matt Pieken review in Modern Drummer and another which I have to re-find. Incidentally, Pieken has done reviews for artists such as Jane's Addiction. And OK, minus one Metal Shock by Mohsen Fayyazi if it be so. Well, we still have good enough on him to support the Keep status.
Yes, I see that you've opened an RSN discussion on Metal Shock. OK, what can I say.
The fact that Stetina has written for two of the two of the biggest selling guitar mags is additional proof of his status. He was employed by Guitar One and wrote for Guitar World. Just a quick grab of the Ozwinds site where it says, "Go inside the mind of one of the most accomplished guitar instructors in history", you said something previously that this was copied from his website. Well, perhaps one or two others may have done this, or he has copied on to his website what has been said about him. Most to the majority of sites refer to him as something similar, I guess this is because this is what he is!
To tell the truth I'm not that keen on heavy metal or this type of music. I had heard of Stetina in the past but didn't know that much about him. If I didn't think he was notable I would have just gone for a re-direct or maybe wouldn't have bothered at all.
Karl Twist (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really don’t think where he was employed or what magazines he written for are relevant for notability. Do you have any other sources to share? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin, Even though I believe there's enough on Troy Stetina to warrant a keep, could I ask please that if the consensus eventually leans towards a deletion, you might consider redirecting rather than deleting? There are a number of possibilities. One would be Mark Tremonti who has a historical and ongoing musical association with Stetina. There was already a mention of him there on the page. I have also done a bit more. There's other content that would eventually go in there as per the normal growth of an article. This is regardless of a deletion or not. If in the event of a deletion consideration, that would probably be the best. Perhaps if the Guitar One article was created, that would be another one as Stetina was involved with the magazine for some time as a writer and contributor. Then there could be his brothers Dale and Wayne where a paragraph could be. They're only stubs at the moment. With a re-direct, the history can be preserved which IMO is always a good thing.
I would like to do more to fix the subject's page as it is a mess. Sadly, my time is limited and I am neglecting other things. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
Left-Handed Guitar: The Complete Method by Stetina, Troy	Book authored by Stetina			✘ No
Fretboard Mastery [With CD] by Troy Stetina	Book authored by Stetina			✘ No
Guitar Noise	Stetina is responding to a reader's comment	Appears to be a WP:BLOG		✘ No
Modern Drummer Issue 166			~ This is a review of one of Stetina's books. There is no mention/WP:SIGCOV of Stetina at all	~ Partial
Guitar One Magazine February 2006	Article authored by Stetina			✘ No
OnMilwaukee Interview	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject			✘ No
Metalshockfinland	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	Seems to be a randomWP:SPS		✘ No
Maximum Ink Interview	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	? A non-notable, local music magazine. Can't find editorial polices, editorial board, etc.. The interview also contains a link to Stetina's Wikipedia page at the bottom and links to purchase the subject's CDs. Appears WP:QS and WP:PROMOTIONAL		✘ No
guitariste-metal.fr	WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject	Appears to be a random WP:SPS		✘ No
Ad in La Seine Musicale	WP:SPONSORED-content by the band	WP:SPONSORED-content by the band		✘ No
The Journal Times				✔ Yes
Billboard Jan 1995			Single, passing mention of Stetina of a video he hosted	✘ No
www.ultimate-guitar.com	? Likely a press release	As per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES, Ultimate Guitar is only reliable for “articles written by the "UG Team" or any writer with reliable credentials elsewhere.” This particular reference has no bylined author so it likely a press release/WP:UGC.		✘ No
Musicradar	Interview with one of Stetina's bandmates		~	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep as there is enough coverage in total including prose part of interviews, and a review for a narrow pass of WP:GNG. Also Ultimate Guitar is listed as a reliable source at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources although the particular reference is possibly a press release so doesn't help, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews don’t count towards GNG as they are a primary source. Also Ultimate Guitar is only reliable for “articles written by the "UG Team" (list of staff writers) or any writer with reliable credentials elsewhere.” As you stated, the reference is likely a press release. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 19:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Dr. Swag Lord, your created document isn't an official guide to follow! Also, it isn't accurate!

Actually, the OnMilwaukee Interview that you mention (properly named:"Despite impressive resume, Stetina lacks name recognition at home" By Bobby Tanzilo) is an article-interview combo. The article part is sufficient to support the page.
The Maximum Ink Interview (Properly named:"Second Soul

AN INTERVIEW WITH TROY STETINA OF SECOND SOUL" BY MIKE HUBERTY ) is an article and interview combo. The article section is sufficient to support the page

The La Seine Musicale wasn't sponsored by the band. If sponsored as you say as per "LSM Newswire is La Scena's Newswire service. Organizations can post a press release on our website for a fee.", which band as you say?? Was it Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, or Jonathan Kreisberg?
The Metal Shock Finland, October 13, 2011 interview is an interview yes. It has been used around 50 plus times here to reference articles. I'm not putting it forth as a supporter for the page.
I'm trying to find the article that goes with this eBay photo of Troy Stetina. The photographer was George P. Koshollek and it is date-stamped FR DEC 5 1986 as per on the back. The cut-out stub says "Roll over, Beethoven. Here comes Troy Stetina" and has -Sentinel photo beside it. Could it be from the Milwaukee Sentinel?
I even more stand by what I said that Stetina is a notable subject. His being a writer for two of the largest guitar mags in the US as well as holding guitar clinics in events that have internationally known prestigious artists is just one aspect. Many others ... etc. etc. etc. Below is an interesting indicator from Jstor,
BOOK CHAPTER
But That Doesn’t Help Me on Guitar!: Unraveling the Myth of the
Self-Taught Metal Guitarist
Kevin EbertFrom: Connecting Metal to Culture: Unity in Disparity, Intellect (2017)
Edition: 1
...and Heavy Metal Lead Guitar Vol. 1&2 by Troy Stetina are two such examples. Also noteworthy is his 1991,
Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar In an interview with Guitariste Métal, Stetina was asked about his sales figure
he replied: Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar is the biggest seller now. Maybe 300,000...
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Salman Muqtadir[edit]

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Sources are trivial (included in a list of other youtubers) and non-independent. One significant coverage is about his investigation by the police. No other significant independent secondary source covering his popularity as a content creator. - AlbeitPK (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Most of the sources cover the police investigating him. That is not enough to satisfy WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: An article that doesn't meet WP:ENT for inclusion on Wikipedia. While I couldn't find any clue in the former AFDs that I still hold deep breath of how it had survived two–three discussions. I am not going to base in any past whatsoever but here is the source analysis and final conclusion. source 1 is a primary source but it verifies the content as used in most of the articles like that per WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. Source 2 is good for sourcing but doesn't support the 'wife marriage'. source 3 is an obvious advert and interview making me suspect the credibility/reliability of source 2. Source 4 is unreliable, and source 5 looks like an advertorial unverifiable publication. Source 6, source 7, and source 8 contributes to a non notable controversy and I call it WP:BLP1E because the said event is not notable for a standalone article. [25] and [26] supports a non notable film and book, hence doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:NAUTHOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not a notable person Md Joni Hossain (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Previously I nominated this article for Afd and my view still same. There is no WP:SIGCOV and fails WP:GNG. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article has been improved and more reliable sources are added, such as The Daily Star or Prothom Alo. Popular national reliable newspapers claim that Salman Muqtadir is a popular YouTuber and actor and there are a bunch of sources about him from reliable sites. Although some news are about his marriage or other things but they are published independently about him and declared him as YouTuber, influencer or actor. Therefore GNG has been able to establish. Ontor22 (talk) 12:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Daily star tag link you showed popped paid/sponsored articles [27], [28], [29], and [30]. They doesn't credibly means this article won't met notability later. See WP:LOTSOFSOURCES and know there isn't any amount of sources you add to a non notable person to be notable. On the aspect scene of YouTube, famous people are celebrities bur that doesn't mean try are notable. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
News from The Daily Star are not paid or sponsored articles at all. Other news channels including Daily Star use disclaimers on sponsored articles but these are not. His marriage news appeared in multiple news channels.

See his marriage news from Prothom alo, Dhaka Tribune, The Business Standard.

Older articles about him also show his prominence.

See these article from Prothom Alo 1 2, Bangla Tribune, The Business Standard, Jagonews24

Salman Muktadir is not only YouTuber but also worked in various entertainment fields including television, stage performance which established his notability based on WP:ENT. Ontor22 (talk) 06:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He is notable on YouTube as an influencer & content creator. but doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:ENT for inclusion on Wikipedia.--DelwarHossain (talk) 11:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He is notable person. I agree with Ontor22. Yubrajhn (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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