Guys, I have to make a separate post applauding @trins-trins​ for her tags on @astradrifting​’s AGOT - Arya I commentary.

New jonsa always deserves extra love!

Ugh, amazing.

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Ah, shoot! Sansa’s hopeless at sums. Our girl is going to need a good steward to help her run any household!

There’s one! But how is he with figures?

So perfectly destined. 🥺

Jon did not gaf😭

I like that in Sansa V when she’s talking to Joffrey before the battle she thinks:

And then the next chapter that Arya appears in (Arya X) the opening paragraph is:

Leagues apart manifesting the worst for Joffrey their Lannister haterism is unmatched.

Siblings or lovers?

“in winter we must protect ourselves. look after one another. when the snow falls, and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.” 

Betrothed to a prince but will marry a King?

She was going to be Prince Rhaegar's wife, no matter what the woman said. Her father had promised it, and Tywin Lannister's word was gold.

Cersei's father promised to marry her to Rhaegar and his word was gold.

Her aunt had lied, though, and her father had failed her, just as Jaime was failing her now. Father found no better man. Instead he gave me Robert, and Maggy's curse bloomed like some poisonous flower.

Or is it? Tywin gave her Robert.

"Sweet one," her father said gently, "listen to me.  When you're old  enough, I will make you a match with a high lord who's worthy of you, someone brave and gentle and strong. This match with Joffrey was a terrible mistake. That boy is no Prince Aemon, you must believe me."

Sansa was promised a better match by Ned. And how much is his word worth? The word choice changes about Sansa(high lord to someone) and Arya's (King to high lord) match between the show and book is interesting.👀👀

It was not as though he was the first man ever to keep a concubine. Sansa's own oh-so-honorable father had given her a  bastard brother. 

Ned gave her Jon. How that came to be is because of a promise.🤡🤡🤡

"Because I knew that you would spurn him. I had to be seen to try to find a consort for you once you'd reached a certain age, else it would have raised suspicions, but I dared not bring you any man you might accept. You were promised, Arianne."

Arianne, a princess in a tower, was given unsuitable suitors by her father because she was promised from the beginning- to a Targaryen.

A warrior princess, he decided, not some willowy creature who sits up in a tower, brushing her hair and waiting for some knight to rescue her.

We have Sansa, a princess, locked up by her evil step-father and step-mother to the highest tower while she brushes her hair and waits for her knight to rescue her. Her father GRRM keeps giving her unsuitable suitors like a dwarf, a bastard, someone with a bastard, a burned man, a sick(like in more than one way) cousin, and even someone gay!!!! Where's the promised match, George? Huh?

Sansa Stark Week 2024 - Day 03 - Friends & Foes

+Bonus:

Jon & Sansa + Fire : [1/2]

Today when I giffed the, “I like the wolf bit,” scene, I found something fantastic. 

After Sansa asks Jon whether he likes her new dress, they cut to Jon, and before he checks out said dress, we get one glorious frame of him gazing at her face. This is what that frame looks like:

I just figured I’d share this gift with you because damn. 

Yeah. Homeboy was definitely caught up in how beautiful Sansa looked before he checked out her dress! If you go back and watch he literally had to shake himself out of it to come up with a coherent sentence to respond to her! Lol!

when literally actually means literally…

And if anyone’s ever wondered what the first frame of her looks like when she realizes Jon’s checking her out (after the “new dress?”), this is it:

I’m not saying she knows. But she knows.

She looks so flattered it’s so cute ❤

I put them side by side and now I cant stop looking at this and smiling like an idiot.

Can you get over how these dorks smile at each other? Because I certainly cannot.

I just posted about this scene but who cares? The side-by-side just hits me in the heart. Why do I ship it? LOOK AT THEM. THEY MAKE EACH OTHER HAPPY. I want a happy Jon and Sansa.

Jon protecting Sansa

How Jonsa will happen?

Most likely like Sansa predicted, in Book One:

"I love him, Father, I truly truly do, I love him as much as Queen Naerys loved Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, as much as Jonquil loved Ser Florian. I want to be his queen and have his babies."

In Case no one knows it, these love stories are inworld Songs about tragic and unfulfilled Love. Naerys was the Wife of Aegon IV and gave him Children, although she loved their Brother Aemon (according to this Song) and Jonquil and Ser Florian are Songs which are described as Sad in AFFC. So when Sansa says this in Book ONE, she thinks she is in Love with Joffrey, but given her relatively naive Outlook on Life, I would say she is more in Love with the thought of being in Love than with Joffrey.

I expect Jon and Sansa to happen with the realisation that their Love is not for the Best, in the middle of Winter, during a Food Crisis, with the Others on their Way, etc. And that won't miraculously change. And no, Daenerys won't be the solution to that problem, because what Jon and Sansa need is Food and/or Money, Daenerys has neither. So the best and easiest solution would be Marriage. Sansa marrying someone who can solve their problems, either someone with Money or someone with Food. The ideal would be both but in Westeros, there are either People indebted or soon will be indebted because Food will be needed and most likely will be bought.

And Sansa will marry someone, with one of these Things (I expect Littlefinger will be long dead by that point, so no luckily for all of us, this Creep won't be it) If Littlefinger dies without issue (because Sansa is revealed as Sansa stark and not Alayne Stone), it is most likely that Sansa will marry Sweet Robin, because, I think Harry the Heir will die, but Sweet robin will survive (mostly because Robin is the Reason that Baelish has Power in the Vale, not the Harding-Boy)

And because the Wall will be totally destroyed and never be rebuilt, Jon won't be at the Wall at the End of this Story, he most likely will become either Sansa's or Rikkon's Sworn Sword something similar to a Kingsguard. And what that means, I won't describe, but it will be very bitter-sweet. And Sansa will be in Love unfulfilled and married to someone else. And Jon will have his family back and only father Bastards, the very thing he never wanted to do.

I don’t think Jon and Sansa will get an ideal ending either, but at the same time, I think Sansa will at least marry Jon secretly because this moment—

Reads like this to me:

In which the voices of her abusers tell her to despair, and she does, only for the reader to realize (and Sansa too, eventually), that they’re wrong. There are heroes:

And of course, we have Brienne telling us there are true knights as well. I have to think, if Martin wrote into AGOT that moment only to specifically refute that fear later in the series, he’s likely written Sansa’s other low-point into the series with the same intent--to restore her faith/hope. To me, that speaks to Martin's plans for Sansa, and is one of the strongest arguments for canon Jonsa.

It could be a rushed marriage, before war or before Jon goes South, or a secret wedding since Sansa is technically still married to Tyrion, but I think there's good reason to believe that line is set-up for a later plot point.

I would also argue that just as Jon is presented with the opportunity to marry Val to unite the North with the FF, only for us to know that he has developed an understanding of the FF, to watch as the FF swear loyalty to him, to see the potential for him to be the means to maintain peace, I'd say that is likely being matched with what is happening in the Eyrie ie Sansa winning loyalty there from Royce who recognizes her, and from Robin who is obsessed with her. In fact, I'd say securing the alliance via a marriage would undermine this passage:

which leads us to think the idea will be holding up the significance of Sansa, even though she has no expectation of it, not the dude she marries. I think that pertains to fighting forces as well as food, and that's before we get into the Jonsa implications of this passage:

I did want to add something about songs/Martin’s love for tragic romances, but while I transcribed his comments on that once I can’t find it rn so I’ll have to revisit that later.

I think Jon and Sansa will have 2 weddings. First, a secret wedding during the war and another public one years later that involve the consummation of said marriage. We already have a precedent for two weddings by a famously in love sibling couple with Jahaerys and Alysanne. And I remember something in the earlier season Sansa talking about her marriage to Joff happening after "all the fighting's done" so there's that. Maybe a clue? The Eyrie thing proves true if Sansa stays a virgin during the fighting. There's also Sansa's virginity being linked to WF's gates/walls.

WF's walls could withstand giant LF so it could certainly stand the WW. Again. HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH. Sansa's chastity is really something. I really do not like the idea of Jon fathering a bastard on her.

Would Jon dishonor her? You do not honor a highborn girl by putting a bastard in her belly.

The dragon's honor would compel R to marry L and that's why Jon is not a bastard but the dragon's heir.Honor is also the reason Robb chose to marry. Granted, it is the end of the world and they may not care but that reeks too much of what happened to JD in the show. Is this where we apply what is honor compared to a woman's love? But we are talking about the girl's honor.

As for Jonsa having kids, I completely agree. We have a King Jon Stark who built the Wolf's Den and a den is something made to care for pups. The last book was supposed to be called A Time for Wolves so this tracks.

This might sound crackpot but there is also another clue that jonsa will marry and that's... a chicken.

I am soooooo glad I found this thread because in the past year I have been thinking a lot about the ending of the show and how would the romance between Jon and Sansa would be able to happen with THAT FINALE.

I think that by now, we all expect Jon and Sansa to marry in secret, Jon was never able to tell anyone he is Raeghar son since his awful aunt banned him to do during the last season so, he can't marry Sansa and live with her as husband and wife publicly. I do think their first child will be a little girl, but the books foreshadow Sansa to have lots of kids, not just one. Also, there is also some foreshadowing of Sansa having bastard children, yet, I was certain that Jon and Sansa ARE marrying in secret, so how that works??

That's when it hit me like a brick!!!!! SHE IS GOING TO BE CERSEI!!!!

Sansa needs to marry another man in order to cover her relationship with Jon, but who that would be??

Think about season 8, who was the other male character putting his live in danger because he could not let Dany to kill his sister? who was the other male character that was desperate for Jon Snow to protect Sansa? who was the character begging Jon to kill Dany and not let her hurt Sansa? who could possible understand and accept a romance between a brother and a sister and still love them dear????

The dragon has three heads. There are two men in the world who I can trust, if I can find them. I will not be alone then. We will be three against the world, like Aegon and his sisters. A Storm of Swords - D@enerys VI

Sansa can trust Tyrion, otherwise she would not have told him about Jon's real parents. Jon and Tyrion are probably the only two men she will ever trust in her life. I think Sansa will consummate her marriage to Tyrion and unite both House Stark and House Lannister, creating a new dynasty, while still keeping her relationship with Jon in secret. I think Sansa will have bastard children with Tyrion, while her children with Jon will be the true borns. Remember that one of the episodes of season 8 was named "The Last of the Starks"? I think Bran, Sansa, Arya and Jon will be the last of the Starks and heir children shall be part of a new dynasty, kind like the LanniStarks???

Instead of Aegon and two queens, why not Sansa and two Kings? one in the south ruling from the capital and another in the North ruling from Winterfell. (wasn't this pretty much what happened with King Robert and Ned? with the crown not meddling much in the North and letting ned take care of the kingdom?)

Anyway, I am talking too much here, but basically I think the story will go back to the beginning. I actually think Bran will be King for a very short period of time and that at some point Tyrion, as the heir of House Lannister will be chosen as King and a union with the Queen in the North will unify the Kingdom once again. Tyrion King, Sansa Queen and Jon as the Lord Commander and military general of the kingdom (let's be honest, Tyrion can not lead armies, but Jon can.)

Jon and Sansa would raise their kids, true borns and bastards all together in Winterfell, teaching them to love each other. Jon will love all the children the same, doesn't matter just like ned did to him. Some will be his true children, some will be his nephews or nieces....

There is more and more because I do now think at some point Jon and Sansa will sit in the Throne together and rule the 7 kingdoms as king and queen, but that would be in the future. It's Sansa who is going to put Jon in the Throne, of that I am sure of it.

In season 3, the Episode "Climbing the Wall", we have first Ygritte arriving at the top of the wall and pushing Jon to be with her and together they look at the Kingdom in front of them. I always thought this was a huge foreshadowing of Sansa first arriving at the Throne and helping putting Jon next to her.

Anywayyy, sorry for rambling. Oh how I wished we could get the books......

you CANNOT tell me this was not framed romantically

the desperation, the longing, the pain.

Blue Flowers…

“Lysa’s apartments opened over a small garden, a circle of dirt and grass planted with blue flowers and ringed on all sides by tall white towers.”-A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VII

Later in Sansa’s chapter….

“When she opened the door to the garden, it was so lovely that she held her breath, unwilling to disturb such perfect beauty. -A Storm of Swords - Sansa VII

I never realized when Sansa was tasting snow and Winterfell, she was actually in a garden of blue flowers. 

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The builders had intended it as a godswood, but the Eyrie rested on the hard stone of the mountain, and no matter how much soil was hauled up from the Vale, they could not get a weirwood to take root here. So the Lords of the Eyrie planted grass and scattered statuary amidst low, flowering shrubs.  A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VII

It was the old days she hungered for. Prayed for. But who could she pray to? The garden had been meant for a godswood once, she knew, but the soil was too thin and stony for a weirwood to take root. A godswood without gods, as empty as me. A Storm of Swords - Sansa VII

AMAZING!!! I never notice that it was the same garden!!!! what a detail.

♕♔ Jon & Sansa | The Match That Was Promised

no matter how terrible my day is. i can always end my day in bed imagining fictional characters making out sloppy style and fucking raw. and that's beautiful. there's some good in this world mister frodo and it's worth fighting for