Wiktionary:Simple talk

Simple talk
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Interface problems

We seem to be having problems with our sidebar. I've reported this bug here. Feel free to comment on it.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  03:07, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be the interface in general.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  04:36, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that Hazard-SJ. The problem actually lies with the language setting that we are currently in, which seems to be set to English (en) as you can see in your preferences (if you left it as the default). I suspect that this has something to do with the data-center migration that Wikimedia just had recently, though I can't confirm this for sure. --Hydriz (talk) 10:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

And this has been fixed. --Hydriz (talk) 14:36, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab

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New About page

I changed our about page so that it looks more attractive to newcomers. I didn't call for any community input since there isn't much on the original about page, so I just went ahead to make some changes. I apologize if the source code is quite messy, but what matters is the output. Hope you guys like it! --Hydriz (talk) 14:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Looks good :) --Peterdownunder (talk) 03:36, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Well done indeed! Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Convert complex templates to Lua to make them faster and more powerful

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How to speak english

I know a little bit English i can understand well but i can't speak well so how can i speak well ?

Hi! Welcome to the Simple English Wiktionary! The English used here is simplified so it should be easier for you to understand. There are many ways to improve your English, reading the Simple English Wiktionary and Simple English Wikipedia are two of them! You may want to take an English Class, or get a tutor if you are very interested in learning the language. Welcome! Tofutwitch11 (talk) 23:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

The Simple Barnstar

I have made a new barnstar, The Simple Barnstar, just for use in the Simple English projects. You can find details at Template:Barnstar. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, StevenJ81, for your note. Best regards, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:04, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposal of a pronunciation recording tool

Hello, Rahul21, a developer, offers to develop a pronunciation recording tool for Wiktionary, helped by Michael Dale as part of GSoC. The tool would allow to record and add audio pronunciations to Wiktionary entries while browsing them (see background discussion on Wiktionary-l). Please read and comment the proposal! Regards, Nemo 22:43, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment on inactive administrators

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Read this message in English / Lleer esti mensaxe n'asturianu / বাংলায় এই বার্তাটি পড়ুন / Llegiu aquest missatge en català / Læs denne besked på dansk / Lies diese Nachricht auf Deutsch / Leś cal mesag' chè in Emiliàn / Leer este mensaje en español / Lue tämä viesti suomeksi / Lire ce message en français / Ler esta mensaxe en galego / हिन्दी / Pročitajte ovu poruku na hrvatskom / Baca pesan ini dalam Bahasa Indonesia / Leggi questo messaggio in italiano / ಈ ಸಂದೇಶವನ್ನು ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲಿ ಓದಿ / Aqra dan il-messaġġ bil-Malti / norsk (bokmål) / Lees dit bericht in het Nederlands / Przeczytaj tę wiadomość po polsku / Citiți acest mesaj în română / Прочитать это сообщение на русском / Farriintaan ku aqri Af-Soomaali / Pročitaj ovu poruku na srpskom (Прочитај ову поруку на српском) / อ่านข้อความนี้ในภาษาไทย / Прочитати це повідомлення українською мовою / Đọc thông báo bằng tiếng Việt / 使用中文阅读本信息。

Hello!

There is a new request for comment on Meta-Wiki concerning the removal of administrative rights from long-term inactive Wikimedians. Generally, this proposal from stewards would apply to wikis without an administrators' review process.

We are also compiling a list of projects with procedures for removing inactive administrators on the talk page of the request for comment. Feel free to add your project(s) to the list if you have a policy on administrator inactivity.

All input is appreciated. The discussion may close as soon as 21 May 2013 (2013-05-21), but this will be extended if needed.

Thanks, Billinghurst (thanks to all the translators!) 05:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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Are we supposed to use simple English on talk pages?

Greetings. I have a question: Are we supposed to use simple English when we are changing talk pages? Also, are there specific rules as for what is considered simple English and what is not? Thanks. TeragR (talk) 22:08, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello, it is better to use Simple English, because many people using the Simple English Wiktionary might not understand English very well. We have lists such as Wiktionary:Simple English word list that group some of the words.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  03:04, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Agree with Hazard. But if you can't find a "simple" way to say something in talk, say it anyway. Everyone will help. Most important to use only Simple English in definitions. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

[en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming

Some accounts will soon be renamed due to a technical change that the developer team at Wikimedia are making. More details on Meta.

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[en] Change to section edit links

The default position of the "edit" link in page section headers is going to change soon. The "edit" link will be positioned adjacent to the page header text rather than floating opposite it.

Section edit links will be to the immediate right of section titles, instead of on the far right. If you're an editor of one of the wikis which already implemented this change, nothing will substantially change for you; however, scripts and gadgets depending on the previous implementation of section edit links will have to be adjusted to continue working; however, nothing else should break even if they are not updated in time.

Detailed information and a timeline is available on meta.

Ideas to do this all the way to 2009 at least. It is often difficult to track which of several potential section edit links on the far right is associated with the correct section, and many readers and anonymous or new editors may even be failing to notice section edit links at all, since they read section titles, which are far away from the links.

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Creation script problem

I have found that the Conrad.Irwin creation script has stopped working. Anyone else having the same problem?--Peterdownunder (talk) 23:35, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Try importing mine. I implemented some fix on the script (though I can't remember exactly what). --Hydriz (talk) 13:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

It is only working partly - I get the missing links in green, but when I go to the page none of the information has been added the way it did before.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

You have to wait a while before it loads, and did you clear your browser's cache? --Hydriz (talk) 00:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Given it three minutes (it was coming up almost instantly before) and nothing. Cache cleared. Still not working.--Peterdownunder (talk) 12:27, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

That's weird, I have it working and could create the child pages for depict. --Hydriz (talk) 08:07, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Weirder still, it still does not work, even if I use a different browser. Hmmmm.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Located problem, it clashes with Twinkle.--Peterdownunder (talk) 06:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Search completion

Why does it suggest terms like "faux-amis" and "néapolitains" for which we have no entry? πr² (talk • changes) 22:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

And to add to that, those entries have never been started here.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  04:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Strange. Any idea what causes it? PiRSquared17 (talk) 02:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

No. It shouldn't be in cache since it never existed, so I really don't know what to think. Maybe a bug should be filed?  Hazard-SJ  ✈  06:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

need consultant for grant

We are undertaking the development of a free multimedia English dictionary (Dictionary 3.0) that will allow students to look up words on the fly as they are reading, anytime, anywhere. Such support is very important and useful as a major factor affecting reading comprehension is vocabulary knowledge. The dictionary will be cross-platform and accessible on all devices (phones, tablets, PCs…). Currently, the prototype works in Chrome on a PC, safari on a mac, and on an iPad/iPhone. To see a sample entry go to http://smartdictionary.imtc.gatech.edu/index.html and type in “spooky”. Then click on the thumbnail in the left corner to see the full entry for “spooky”. You should see the words “Spooky”, a definition and sample sentence, and a video that illustrates the sample sentence. Also try "snob". I am looking for a consultant with dictionary credibility to add to a grant. An academic or industry person who worked on a kid or school dictionary would be best. Hope someone can help. To see a sample of the dictionary go to Harley Hamilton, PhD Senior Research Scientist School of Interactive Computing Georgia Institute of Technology [email protected]

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Trademark discussion

Hi, apologies for posting this in English, but I wanted to alert your community to a discussion on Meta about potential changes to the Wikimedia Trademark Policy. Please translate this statement if you can. We hope that you will all participate in the discussion; we also welcome translations of the legal team’s statement into as many languages as possible and encourage you to voice your thoughts there. Please see the Trademark practices discussion (on Meta-Wiki) for more information. Thank you! --Mdennis (WMF) (talk)

X!'s Edit Counter

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Should X!'s edit counter retain the opt-in requirement? Your input is strongly encouraged. Voice your input here.——cyberpower ^Chat_Automation 04:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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Universal Language Selector will be enabled on 2013-07-09

On July 9, 2013, Universal Language Selector (ULS) will be enabled on this wiki. The ULS provides a flexible way to configure and deliver language settings like interface language, fonts, and input methods (keyboard mappings). Making it available here is the last phase of making ULS available on all Wikimedia wikis.

Please read the announcement on Meta-Wiki for more information. Siebrand 12:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC) (via Global message delivery).

Expansion of HydrizBot's scope

Since 2011, HydrizBot has been patiently working behind the scenes in updating all our entries with new interwiki links. It has worked well and has now became the second dominant player on (all of) Wiktionary as a bot. Now as the bot's operator, I am requesting the community to approve of a new task - adding of audio files to entries. This is the job of DerbethBot, but it has recently became inactive and I believe it would be best to have someone that is from the community to take over that task. This new task will use the exact same software as DerbethBot (source).

If there is no opposition to this request within seven (7) days, I assume that this task has been approved and will begin running the bot after that. Thank you. --Hydriz (talk) 13:39, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I didn't check the source code, but a quick look (via popups) at some of DerbethBot's contribs shows that it seems to have been working correctly, and was very helpful, so approving your bot to do the same now that the other has stopped seems quite reasonable. P.S. Does a 'crat need to approve the task? πr² (talk • changes) 04:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

(change conflict) This seems reasonable. The bot has also stopped on the English Wiktionary, and the operator isn't very active crosswiki anymore.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  04:23, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for your comments. I have did some test edits with this bot a few weeks ago and have reviewed every single edit correctly. There is no problem with it and will be taking care of bugs that arises (hopefully nothing breaks though) --Hydriz (talk) 09:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

To make something clear, new tasks need to be approved by a crat, so I simply dislike one thing here... "If there is no opposition to this request within seven (7) days, I assume that this task has been approved and will begin running the bot after that." - That's something for what bots on other wiki may be blocked.

However, that task is useful and if the bot works correctly, I'm happy to Y approve that new task. -Barras talk 11:17, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this. My original intent for that sentence is in anticipation that no bureaucrat was available (which was why I applied to be one earlier). The fluctuating involvement in managing the wiki can sometimes mean that tasks (in certain cases urgent) can go unhandled for quite a while. Since you approved of this task, I have started preparations for its launch. --Hydriz (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

New

Hi there. I am new to this wiki and I would like some help on how I can help improve this wiki. Any questions? ~ curtaintoad ~~ talk ~ 09:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

"Would"

how are you? how to use would in english

hello. See this page: would. If you want more detailed explanation, try Google. If you want meaning in Kannada, I can't help - sorry. πr² (talk • changes) 03:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Sandbox

Are sandboxes are allowed in Wiktionary? --Take a trip with Rani ^Rani 20:52, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. You may also create a sandbox in your own user space. See also: Sandbox. --~ curtaintoad ~~ talk ~ 06:31, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Created entries by Raninghai

Not too long ago, a user named Aaqib was indefinitely blocked by the community at the Simple English Wikipedia for refusing advise given to him by other, more experienced editors, and being rude in his responses to said advice. Basically, we didn't think he was competent enough to edit SEWP. As many have noticed, Aaqib is now creating entries here at the Single English Wiktionary, and doing almost the same thing he's been doing at SEWP, this time operating as Raninghai (formerly Aaqib Azeez).

Although Raninghai hasn't been as rude here as he was at SEWP, the low quality of his creations is the same, if not worse. This has made me, along with a couple of other contributors, question his competence. Take a look for yourself. Some of his contributions in the past few days include:

1. Treating all definitions as if they are sentences (He was told twice about this.)
2. Creating attack pages (I warned him about this, and the attack sentence in question is still visible, for those of you who can't view the deleted page.)
3. Creating entries that aren't useful to almost anybody learning the English language, including the attack page in question, but mainly Islamic names like his own (Barras advised him against doing this, but he just created more.)
4. Finally, and most recently, entries that are incorrect altogether

It has become too much of a chore for me to patrol Raninghai's edits every day, and I'm sure other contributors can attest. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that Raninghai is too incompetent to edit this wiki, and at least one other editor agrees. Despite all this, I'm not sure what type of action should be taken at this time, though I believe something needs to be done. Thoughts? TCN7JM 19:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

But they are names! But come on, I'm a new user here. --Take a trip with Rani ^Rani 19:04, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I am leaving, looks like this wiki does not appreciate me. You can message me if of what the results are. --Take a trip with Rani ^Rani 19:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

(←Outdent) Thank you TCN7JM for raising this topic and putting the interests of this wiki first. Here are some of my points relating to this:

• Most of the entries created do provide useful information with regards to the word itself, which can be quite rare for new editors. Other than the occasional editing issues, the entries, in my opinion, meet at least the minimum standard for inclusion. Of course, such entries can have bigger improvements, especially regarding the example sentences providing more information about the word itself.
• He has not really been rude at all I would agree. I am not so sure about what exactly is happening over on SEWP (and I am not going to find out, due to the weird policies over there), but at least his user conduct does so some form of respect for other editors.
• However, his scope of entry creations can pose some concerns. Some of his creations include Islamic names, which does not really appeal towards teaching non-English speakers, usually due to the fact that there is a difference in cultural background
• Some entries are extremely short and pose little or no significant use to helping non-English speakers learn English. Take marshmallow for example, defining it as "Sweet, fluffy food" makes little sense to someone who does not know anything about it. More description can thus be made by providing more details about it being white and other related adjectives.
• Incorrect entries is also a factor that shows this editor's inability to create accurate entries. While his work is commendable, we tend to avoid creating entries before we have even properly checked the accuracy of the definition. The lack of checking beforehand thus sustains the argument that this editor may be providing misleading information to our users and eventually hindering their progress of learning the English Language.

I would take this opportunity to thank Raninghai for all the contributions that he has made so far, but I would suggest that he:

1. Takes into account all the comments about the entries he is creating and improve them for future ones
2. Reduce entry creation per-day to 10 entries or less so that the community would have enough time to review the created pages and provide constructive feedback if necessary.

Thoughts and comments about this too? He is a great editor, just that a few changes need to be made to his entries so that it is more acceptable. (and I apologize for the long post) --Hydriz (talk) 11:41, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Disclaimer: "Sweet, fluffy food" was actually my own shortening of his definition that originally said it was a dairy product, which it's not. I didn't know what else to add, but that's beside the point. I'll fix it in a bit. TCN7JM 16:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I would definitely support reducing the amount of entries Raninghai can create to 10 entries. This seems like a reasonable restriction until the user can learn how to contribute better to the wiki. (Oh, and Hydriz, if you're interested, the community ban discussion at SEWP is here. He's definitely been acting more polite since this (retirement template on his userpage aside)). TCN7JM 16:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I only read the original comment, the rest is a little TL;DR. Here is a point-by-point reply:

1. Actually, we use full sentences here in definitions. This is the correct format per Wiktionary:Entry_layout_explained#The_basic_parts_of_an_entry.
2. This is a problem, perhaps. We should strive to define things, not do that...
3. Not really a problem, but not very useful pages to people learning English. You can take them to RfD if you want.
4. Agree.

πr² (talk • changes) 16:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

P.S. This does seem a little BITEy. Maybe he has been blocked/banned on other projects, but he's new here. πr² (talk • changes) 16:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC) (self-strike, unconstructive comment)

And still adding incomprehensible edits to pages. --Peterdownunder (talk) 02:50, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposal - Implement a limit of 10 entries created per-day

Looking at the recent entries he created, such as dodo, it does show some form of improvement. I guess he is starting to work on point number one I wrote above, though I believe it would be best that we add a restriction of 10 entries per-day (excluding plural forms created with Accelerated). This is in fact a limit higher than most of the people in the community here actually do. Also, since I can only have the time to patrol new pages during the weekends, reviewing ~50 pages should not be too much of an issue (unless someone volunteers to patrol them as well). So, shall we enact this 10-entry-per-day restriction till someone feels that he is up to par (and at the same time award autopatroller rights)? --Hydriz (talk) 09:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

• I believe we should. TCN7JM 14:00, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
• I have no objections to this. πr² (talk • changes) 16:53, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
• I believe quality is more important than quantity. The current mass creation is threatening to overwhelm us (not to mention that some definitions sound misleading, if not factually incorrect). Support proposal. Chenzw  Talk  21:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
• I also support the proposal, per Chenzw. -Mh7kJ (talk) 22:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
• While I would support a restriction on his editing, I strongly believe that he does not have the competency, nor the maturity, required to edit any Wikimedia project. His actions here show that he's learned nothing since being banned on the Simple English Wikipedia. I think it's only a matter of time before he will be indefinitely blocked here as well.--Jasper Deng (talk|meta) 22:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Other comments

• Sorry Chenzw, we already made a decision to just leave me alone. So far, my contributions are helpful. You are not even active. End of discussion. --Rani ^Rani 21:09, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Chenzw, I think your comment has no effect on the discussion of the fact you are trying to bring a terrible discussion. Thus being bity. No matter what, the discussion is over. I made peace with everyone who commented here (except you). --Rani ^Rani 21:13, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Another thing to bring, those incorrect entries were a long time ago. --Rani ^Rani 21:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

End of discussion --Rani ^Rani 22:28, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a thread proposing to set an editing restriction on you, so naturally you cannot tell people that's it's the "end of discussion". You will likely need to wait for an admin to close the discussion. In response to your other comment, how is anyone here being BITEy? If you lack the ability to edit competently and follow the advice given to you by others, then clearly there is a problem which needs to be dealt with. -Mh7kJ (talk) 22:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

N.B.: While I do not want to bring over a matter from Wikipedia to here, I wanted to make sure it is known that he was previously blocked for incivility on a Wikimedia project and that I would definitely have expected him to have learned how to interact with other editors, in case any admins wish to look out for that kind of thing here. Using ginormous letters and being flat out rude to another editor is definitely not showing any improvements in my eyes. Raninghai, one does not need to be active to comment on things. Your comment above, particularly the huge letters, is completely unhelpful and proves that you have learned nothing from your incivility block on Wikipedia. -Mh7kJ (talk) 22:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Please do not declare an end of a discussion, especially if you are the editor involved in this discussion. For everyone else, thank you for all the discussions about his conduct over at the Simple English Wikipedia and the concerns raised over his civility with the community. I would like to encourage the community to think neutrally about him and his conduct over here on Wiktionary, which I believe has shown some form of civility (other than the big "end of discussion" message).

With this, I am also calling an end to the debate regarding his conduct on the Simple English Wikipedia, as such discussions should take place on the Simple English Wikipedia instead. I believe in giving him a chance, unless of course if this chance is abused a follow-up discussion about his conduct will be started accordingly. --Hydriz (talk) 07:51, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• I see everyone's comments and have thought clearly about them, I decide to become a constructive editor. --Rani ^Rani 22:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Good decision. Now please look at the guidelines for formatting entries before creating others. You can look at existing entries (but not all are good) too. if you do this, you have a higher chance of creating useful, correctly formatted entries. πr² (talk • changes) 00:24, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• Comment: With respect, Raninghai's above comments appear to indicate that he is not acting maturely enough to be a positive contributor. The quality of his contributions is generally very low. I support a limit on entries. Tempodivalse [talk] 14:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support Per above. Reception123 (talk) 05:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

This user has not be helping the Simple English Wiktionary with his entries created. He is instead creating more work for the current editors of this project and as such, I propose that a 1 week block be instated so that he has time to think about his actions and how they effect the rest of the editors of this project, after which he would be welcome to come back, and if he shows signs of complying with our formatting guidelines, he will be allowed to edit again. At this point in time, though, he is doing more harm than good and needs to be blocked for a period of time to give him time to think about things. That is my opinion on this matter. Razorflame 19:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, the user has "retired" a few days ago and not edited since, so I don't think it's necessary to take any action right now. If he returns later and continues flooding simplewikt with abysmally low quality entries, then we can have this discussion. Tempodivalse [talk] 04:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, I don't think a block like you describe would have any positive effect on Raninghai. Judging from past experiences, he doesn't seem to be able to learn from mistakes. In general, blocking is a bad way of getting people to "think about things". Tempodivalse [talk] 04:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

RFD problem

Hello all Wiktionarians! I was wondering about the past RFDs we had. We have texsuasion that its discussion is still going on. Why can't we close it and delete or keep it? I mean, scene changes have last a long time (since 2012)! Cheers! --Take a trip with Rani ^Rani 21:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Y Done I deleted both and the specific reason is provided accordingly. Note that RfD discussions can drag for very long as we might be waiting for a decision off-wiki to be made or we simply want more time for more comments. Thanks for raising this though. --Hydriz (talk) 10:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Flood flags

Do flood flags exist in Simple Wiktionary. Because I contribute a lot, and it usually floods on the new changes. --Rani ^Rani 22:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

No, we don't have flood flags here. Also, in general, the flag (on other wikis) isn't used for major changes.  Hazard-SJ  ✈  01:06, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Unacceptably bad entries require extensive cleanup

I've come to the conclusion that most of Raninghai's entries are unsalvageable. For instance, Prevail was so badly written (uppercase title, nonsensical definition and example sentence, labelled an adjective) that I decided it was easier to delete it and start a new page from scratch than attempt to fix the existing material. I'm trying to assume good faith, but it's getting to the point where I feel Raninghai is being harmful to the project.

Can I get some users to help me look over all of his contributions? Despite previous efforts to oversee Raninghai's entries, a lot still appears to have not been vetted. Tempodivalse [talk] 16:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Some examples: [16] [17] [18] [19] Tempodivalse [talk] 17:47, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

He has retired. πr² (talk • changes) 17:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

He previously tried to retire on the Simple English Wikipedia to avoid scrutiny while his ban was being proposed. I think he's also "retiring" here for that same reason. As I said above, he probably should not be editing any Wikimedia project, given his maturity level.--Jasper Deng (talk|meta) 19:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Note, the user has retired twice in the space of three days. Tempodivalse [talk] 20:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

HI there! I'll go ahead and take a look at these entries. If I find any that are too badly written, I'll request them for deletion myself. Razorflame 22:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I was trying to review all the new pages yesterday. I must admit that it was too much work that I had to stop from further reviewing (got a little fed up from doing so). Please feel free to request deletion for pages that are beyond salvage and I will look into it. --Hydriz (talk) 02:50, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

It is suicide to think about fixing ALL of them all at once. You've got to do it a little at a time. I'll go look through some of them now. Razorflame 03:05, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

General entry formatting

As I've been looking through entries created here recently, I've noticed that the formatting that I use and that most of the entries on this site use have not been enforced while I was away. All entries on this site should be uniform in terms of formatting and by using multiple ways of formatting entries, we start to look less professional than we want to be. We also look like we don't know what the hell we are doing as well. Do you think it would be possible to mandate a way of formatting articles and keep that one way over all entries made? Cheers, Razorflame 03:09, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I guess this is best time where we properly review the guidelines listed out in the Wiktionary:Sample entry and other rules governing how we format our entries. There has been many changes over the years, and it would be great that we start to standardize a little. Razorflame, can you provide some rules that you remember of so that we can all decide on changing or keeping it? --Hydriz (talk) 03:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. Most of the rules in WT:SE still apply, most importantly:

• The bolding of the headword and the using of the headword in the definition.
• The general entry layout from WT:SE.
• Having no wikilinks in the example sentences and having the headword bolded in the example sentences.

Everything else from WT:SE still applies today that I know of. Other than what is included in WT:SE, there are no other formatting guidelines that I am aware of. Maybe you could include some changes to the formatting guidelines that you've had in the past year or so? I'd be happy to look over them and see if they are possible to add to WT:SE. Razorflame 19:55, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

It is quite weird to know that we don't link in the example sentence, I suggest that we change that (and I see no reason why we should not link). --Hydriz (talk) 01:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Any reason why we have this rule? πr² (talk • changes) 01:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

It's the same on the English Wiktionary. That's why the rule is in place. Furthermore, example sentences are supposed to still be written in Simple English. Razorflame 02:57, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you review this? Did I miss something? πr² (talk • changes) 23:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Everything is right except the linked words in the example sentences. Furthermore, more simplification could be done on the example sentences. Razorflame 02:57, 21 July 2013 (UTC)