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I’m watching a video on the philosophy of prison abolition and these two guys (one white. One black) are talking about how people really do want to see people punished for wrongdoing but no one admits to it
And I may well be biased but it’s feeling smug to me, like thevye caught people out having Bad Thoughts and are above it all
And I just… ok Mr Harvard professor, so what do YOU want to see happen to Donald Trump, then?
It got better.
I really do think there’s a gaping hole in a lot of the rhetoric though, where people really do just assume everyone who commits crimes is lower-class or poor, when there’s a hell of a lot of crime that society’s MOST powerful people engage in.
Maybe prison isn’t great for fixing them either! But we really do need to talk and think about how to stop them. We have the opposite problem with them (or at least I personally have the opposite question): Are we doing enough? Do we show them unwarranted leniency? Is that a miscarriage of justice too?
The reason I don’t like “no one should be motivated by retribution” is that part of the reason the powerful do bad things may well be “no one stops me, so it’s fine.”
To me that indicates that we’re never going to be able to completely get rid of “You did the thing, and we now are imposing upon you a consequence we think you’ll find highly unpleasant.”
I also suspect that whether or not we ever succeed at ending incarceration, we will most likely have to retain some form of “this person needs to be kept away from that person,” such as in cases of stalking and other forms of sexual predation.
It seems to me that the only way to fully believe in abolition is to have faith that everyone is reachable through kindness. I wish I thought that was true, but I’ve been awfully nice to people I know preyed on others, and it didn’t stop them.
I’m concerned about us putting the same burden on bright eyed young social workers and getting the same result.
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