See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Macklemore: For me, it’s finding a balance music - and when I say, it’s music, it’s everything that comes with it - marketing, photo shoots, doing a Tumblr Q&A - and my recovery (which holds my music and life together) and my family life. If one starts taking dominance, well really, if music takes dominance over my recovery and my family then it’s trouble. 

Ryan: Always. I mean, we are always collaborating. Not always musically, but also visually. I think there’s people that like to be art a private process, and others who want it to be a communal process. And I like to meet people and do new things with others.

Macklemore: And at this point, I’ve been doing music for a long time, and we’ve made music together for a long time. It just depends on what you care about - is it, I need to make the beats, I need to make the melody, etc. Or are you trying to create the best song possible, and sometimes Ryan might play a piano line and it turns into “Same Love”, or there’s a better piano player than him. Or I have the melody down, but there’s someone out there that might have the beats.

I care more about the final product of this song, versus me being the only person making it for the bragging rights. 

Ryan: And that’s the beauty of rapping. There’s a reason why rapping and hip hop has had more legs - because it gets re along other genres constantly. if rappers were just going to rap beats, then you wouldn’t see rappers rise.

Ryan: Magic is real. 

Macklemore: I’m thinking. Immediately, I go to a sexual place which feels… wrong. I don’t really want to read people’s minds. 

Ryan: There’s so many spells that are ultimately going to not make you happy. I say flying. It’s cool, it’s not going to fuck with you psychologically. 

[both laughing]

Macklemore: I second that. 

Macklemore: We met on the internet, on Myspace.

Ryan: We started working together when I was doing photography, and so at that time I wasn’t good at making beats. Then I was getting in graphic design, so when I started doing beats, I started doing visuals for Macklemore.

Ryan: I just started watching Ozarks. It’s pretty dramatic. 

Macklemore: It’s good. I’d still go with Breaking Bad. Ozarks is good, it’s new. 

Ryan: Narcos is good. 

Macklemore: The OA? The OA I loved. 

Ryan: Clue, the movie. Hands down. Fantastic. Also, Indiana Jones. 

Macklemore: I’m gonna go with, Scarface. Ha. I really love the movie Four Rooms. The other movie I love, that’s a classic is Groundhog Day. I think about it probably once a month.  

Macklemore: Same Love was inspired by reading an article my mom sent me about a kid who was bullied in school and committed suicide because he was gay. And I tried to write in the perspective of the bullied kid, which Ryan told was a horrible idea, and then I rewrote it.

Macklemore: Kanye

Macklemore: It was suggested by Molly Nordstrom, and I loved the name. It means, like, warrior out there in Ireland. And I love Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, and Sloane was beautiful.