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This is not an active discussion page but was created as a courtesy to those who would like to be able to read the discussions from 2011 and 2012 in one place and without hunting through diffs. BencherliteTalk 13:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What will appear on the main page on 17th December 2012?[edit]

The blurb currently says this:

"Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" is the ninth episode of the first season of the animated comedy television series South Park. The show's first Christmas special, it portrays the Jewish character Kyle feeling excluded from the town's Christmas celebrations and being comforted by Mr. Hankey, who can talk and sing. As Mr. Hankey does not come alive in the presence of other characters, they begin to think that Kyle is delusional. In another plot strand, the townspeople remove all symbols of Christmas from South Park to render the celebrations politically correct and inoffensive. When all the children start believing in him, Mr. Hankey finally reveals himself to everyone and scolds them for losing sight of the good things of Christmas and focusing on the bad. The townspeople apologize to Kyle, then sing Christmas songs and watch Mr. Hankey fly away with Santa Claus. Heavily influenced by the Peanuts Christmas special A Charlie Brown Christmas, "Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" was the first South Park musical episode and the only episode in season one in which Kenny does not die. It is a satire of political correctness and religious sensitivity and has been described as one of the classic South Park episodes. (Full article...)

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Discussions before and after scheduling[edit]

2011 nomination (nonspecific date request)[edit]

"Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" is the tenth episode of the first season of the animated television series South Park. It originally aired on Comedy Central in the United States on December 17, 1997. In the episode, the Jewish character Kyle feels excluded from the rest of town during Christmas, and is comforted by Mr. Hankey, a talking and singing Christmas poo. Mr. Hankey does not come alive in front of anyone else, so everyone begins to think Kyle is losing his mind. Meanwhile, the townspeople remove all religious aspects of Christmas from South Park in order to remain politically correct and inoffensive. The episode was written and directed by series co-founders Trey Parker and Matt Stone, and was rated TV-MA L in the United States. The Mr. Hankey character was based on an idea from Parker's childhood; when Parker and Stone first conceived the South Park series, they wanted to make Mr. Hankey the lead character. Heavily influenced by the Peanuts Christmas special A Charlie Brown Christmas, "Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" was the first South Park Christmas special and first musical episode. It served as a satire of political correctness and religious sensitivity. Parker and Stone felt the episode elevated South Park to a new level of popularity and relevance. (more…)

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2 points - promoted over 2 years ago. I think it would be really fun if we had this article up for TFA for sometime during the christmas season. It's probably not too appropriate for the day itself, but would be perfect for that between-christmas-and-new-year no man's land when everyone has eaten and drunk far too much for too long, lost track of what day of the week it even is and has become sick of being at home with their family. Howdy Ho! Coolug (talk) 14:53, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

0 points until Jan 21. + 2 for old, - 2 for collission with chanukha, another animated TV episode. --Ettrig (talk) 08:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support – As Coolug says, probably a bit strong for the day itself, but probably good for 29 December or thereabouts. Howdy Ho! —Cliftonianthe orangey bit 15:28, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - dang, anything which convinces people to eat more fibre is a plus. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Mr. Hankey character was based on an idea from Parker's childhood; when Parker and Stone first conceived the South Park series, they wanted to make Mr. Hankey the lead character. Bit of a non-sequitur there. What was the idea from Parker's childhood? Jezhotwells (talk) 11:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It will be a perfect for Dec 29.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 03:09, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, considering this article is very likely not going to be scheduled for Dec 25th but on another date (if it is scheduled at all) should this not be counted as a support? I note the box at present shows 4 yays and 2 nays. Coolug (talk) 20:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Those sayings things like "oppose dec 25 support other days" - how should these votes be counted? In the opening I have said that I agree it isn't suitable for dec 25, this is also a non date specific nomination. It's not a nomination for christmas day. Coolug (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as of the four opposes counted so far, only 2 are actual opposes, and the other 2 are just opposed to it being on christmas day itself, could the tally be amended to reflect that now the dec 25 tfa has been selected? Coolug (talk) 16:49, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I nominated this with the intention of it being TFA for either some time in the days leading up to christmas or the xmas-new-year no man's land of 27-30 dec when it would have been pretty appropriate. However, seeing as the tfa's slots for the rest of december have now been filled it wouldn't really be the end of the world if this wasn't stuck on the main page. I nominated it for a bit of fun, but the fun would be a bit pointless if it was tfa in january - it's a christmas poo not a new year poo! I'm not going to withdraw the nomination or anything but I won't be offended if it is removed by any other editors either. Howdy ho! Coolug (talk) 01:30, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your nomination was POINT-y. Alarbus (talk) 01:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. It's true that it was your post that inspired me to nominate this article, but I wasn't trying to make a silly point or offend the worlds christians! I just thought that in spite of your comments, it would actually have been pretty cool to have this article on the main page sometime during the christmas season. Coolug (talk) 10:49, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Think again and maybe they'll pay you the big bucks. Alarbus (talk) 11:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is this a riddle? I'm not very good at riddles. Coolug (talk) 14:59, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is this article going to be on the main page sometime during the christmas season? Alarbus (talk) 15:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently not, but there's always next year. Howdy-ho! —Cliftonian (talk) 19:27, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
shit happens... Alarbus (talk) 03:15, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose...the Plot section has nary a single inline cite...the subject matter is immaterial to me and I remember this episode well when it first aired, but the article itself needs help.--MONGO 11:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Though I haven't checked for exceptions in this case, as a general rule plot sections are not required to have inline cites - it's assumed that the plot is from the episode/book/movie/whatever itself. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – this nomination should probably be taken down now, the next open date is 1 January and attempting to imply a connection to Christmas this late on seems to me a little bit tenuous. Perhaps this nomination should now wait until next year? —Cliftonian (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If you nominate it on December 17, next year, you could get a point for day relevance without having to nominate it on Christmas. With ancient FA status, that'd be three points if you're not ninja'd by another TV show. Emmy Altava 04:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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2012 request (for December 25, amended to December 17)[edit]

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"Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" is the ninth episode of the first season of the animated television series South Park. It originally aired on Comedy Central in the United States on December 17, 1997. In the episode, the Jewish character Kyle feels excluded from the rest of town during Christmas, and is comforted by Mr. Hankey, a talking and singing Christmas poo. Mr. Hankey does not come alive in front of anyone else, so everyone begins to think Kyle is losing his mind. Meanwhile, the townspeople remove all religious aspects of Christmas from South Park in order to remain politically correct and inoffensive. The episode was written and directed by series co-founders Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Heavily influenced by the Peanuts Christmas special A Charlie Brown Christmas, "Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" was the first South Park Christmas special, the first musical episode and the only episode in season one where Kenny doesn't die. It served as a satire of political correctness and religious sensitivity. The episode has been described as one of the classic South Park episodes. In addition to Mr. Hankey himself, it introduced the popular South Park songs "A Lonely Jew on Christmas" and "Kyle's Mom is a Big Fat Bitch". (Full article ...)
"Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" is the ninth episode of the first season of the animated television series South Park. The show's first Christmas special, it portrays the Jewish character Kyle feeling excluded from the town's Christmas celebrations and being comforted by Mr. Hankey, who can talk and sing. As Mr. Hankey does not come alive in the presence of other characters, they begin to think that Kyle is delusional. In another plot strand, the townspeople remove all symbols of Christmas from South Park to render the celebrations politically correct and inoffensive. When all the children start believing in him, Mr. Hankey finally reveals himself to everyone and scolds them for losing sight of the good things of Christmas and focusing on the bad. The townspeople apologize to Kyle, then sing Christmas songs and watch Mr. Hankey fly away with Santa Claus. Heavily influenced by the Peanuts Christmas special "A Charlie Brown Christmas", "Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" was the first South Park musical episode and the only episode in season one in which Kenny does not die. It is a satire of political correctness and religious sensitivity and has been described as one of the classic South Park episodes. (Full article ...)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Heart-warming Christmas fare, with music and dancing. 3 points 1 point for date relevance, 2 points for being promoted over two years ago. It would be nice to be able use the image of Mr Hankey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawkeye7 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. It's a 15-year-old cartoon about a poop. I really don't think the kind of people who are going to get bent out of shape about it are the kind of people we want to pander to. GRAPPLE X 21:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on 17th, Oppose on 25th. There's nothing to be gained by wilfully choosing a date purely to be offensive, and (as a firm atheist) I find the attitude that Christians "aren't the kind of people we want to pander to" one of the most repellently bigoted statements I've ever seen expressed on Wikipedia - would you make the same comment towards any other ethnic, religious or political group? Mogism (talk) 02:47, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    You'll notice I didn't say Christians, but simply specified the kind of easily-offended people who would take an article about a cartoon to be a personal affront. And yes, I would make the same comment towards anyone from any group who is so easily offended by humour they can simply ignore. But thanks for actually reading what I wrote. GRAPPLE X 02:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Mogism, are you referring to December 17, or the orginal air date of September 17 mentioned above? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC) See error above and here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have reverted an inappropriate date change here; [1] please read the instructions at the top of the page.

    1.If a requested article has at least five declarations and over 50% oppose votes (counting the nominator's declaration as a support) at least 48 hours after the request is initiated, it may be removed regardless of its point value.

    (Nor is it clear that there is support for Dec 17, btw.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
continued on talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:34, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support for Dec 17 -- it has date relevance. Oppose for Dec 25. Ruby 2010/2013 03:39, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support it running, but am indifferent as to date. Note that Christmas is just about the lowest numbers of views for the whole year so I don't think it would be that terrible if we ran it. That being said, it may be something we don't need in a year in which Wikipedia has received plenty of publicity, not all of it good.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To this point, I count nine supports for the 17th, and two opposes; it has been more than 48 hours and there is more support for the 17th than the 25th, so I'm moving this to the 17th. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can't believe I'm commenting on this, but I don't think the article or blurb should refer to the character as "a… poo" in Wikipedia's voice. "Poo" is both an informal word and a mass noun that shouldn't be preceded by the article "a". The entry for Mr. Hankey i the list of South Park characters refers to him as "a talking piece of feces", so I think the article (and the blurb, if it runs) should call him something like "a talking and singing piece of feces who appears around Christmas". A. Parrot (talk) 19:34, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reworded to "...comforted by Mr. Hankey, who can talk and sing." Frankly, if people haven't worked out what the material is from which Mr. Hankey is made after reading the bold words "Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo" at the start of the blurb, I don't think we ought to spell it out in excessive clarity later on in the blurb. And if they have worked it out, they don't need it explained. BencherliteTalk 14:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Well put, Tomcat. Hekerui (talk) 19:33, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Tomcat and comments by A. Parrot. Should be "Poo" and not "the Poo". Also, it doesn't seem like "Heart-warming Christmas fare". (From article): "He emerges from the toilet bowl on Christmas Eve and brings presents to good boys and girls whose diets have been high in fiber." MathewTownsend (talk) 21:25, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    It has a song in its heart Matthew. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've got a vague recollection that this has been TFA before, to the consternation of some. Can someone check if that is the case, because re-runs (I use the word "runs" advisedly) are not a good thing. Maybe we could run something about poos in Shakespeare instead, for high-brow/dirty-sanchez balance. However, if this does get TFA, 25th is obviously the best day, you bunch of wusses. Formerip (talk) 02:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Since the subject is stupid shit for a sub-literate audience, how does it bring glory to the Wikipedia to feature this shit? Stupid bathroom humor, designed specifically to offend, and does offend, with no redeeming artistic merit. Do we not have articles on reasonable subjects available? If not, suggest leaving that part of the main page blank instead, as that would be an improvement. Herostratus (talk) 03:15, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment While I can understand the opposes for the 17th based on the timing of other holidays (even though it is designed to be a parody of commercial holiday treatments in generations), those opposing on the basis of, quoting Herostratus, being "stupid shit for a sub-literate audience" may want to review what the ethos is of Wikipedia, particularly in light of this having reached Features status. No, it's not the most thought-provoking South Park episode, but it is certainly is appropriate material for what WP wants to be. --MASEM (t) 04:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This article appears to have deteriorated since it was (narrowly) promoted. Yomanganitalk 13:05, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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