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30 June 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Used to circumvent his 48 hour block for edit warring [1] [2] [3] Deni Mataev (talk) 19:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged, master 2 weeks, no No comment with respect to IP address(es). -- Amanda (aka DQ) 19:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

02 July 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

-- Amanda (aka DQ) 00:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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03 August 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

He has again made a new account, and is edit warring and changing without first reaching a consensus. It is evident that it's him as seen from the talk page [4], how he first deletes everything he disagrees with, then writes in talk with the same mannerisms, refusing to engage in a debate with an open mind. Deni Mataev (talk) 14:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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03 December 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

-- Amanda (aka DQ) 20:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Confirmed:
They geolocate to the same area as Dzurdzuketi socks. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 20:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

16 March 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Similar pattern of ethnic POV pushing on articles Vainakh tower architecture and Chechnya. Also note similar edit summaries. Diffs: [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] —KuyaBriBriTalk 01:00, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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03 April 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


A number of apparent socks have been ranting on user talk pages about Wikipedia supporting Chechen bandits. Most are now blocked. I found the ones listed below above by looking at all the hits on Filter 1055 ('unusual talk page activity') and looking for blocked accounts. Dartwork posted an unblock request on Gligvi-Kist's talk page. The oldest account in this group, Tremblerian, was created on 26 March. All the accounts have an interest in Chechen/Ingush matters. There has been some reverting at Ingush people. At least one account has been blocked with email disabled, so perhaps that's a concern also. User:Acroterion and User:Paul Erik have done some of the blocks, and I think User:Zzuuzz might have an interest. I am not certain of the relation between this group and the original sockmaster, Dzurdzuketi, and my filing here is mainly based on the topic area and the nationalist editing. Checkuser might be able to find sleepers and locate some IPs that could be blocked. EdJohnston (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Here's some more I would class as confirmed:

I don't really have much more to add, at this time. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

zzuuzz, I assume the group in the filing is confirmed (to each other and previous socks of the master) as well? Blablubbs|talk 00:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I just realised some of those are blocked as socks of this separate SPI, so a merge will probably be needed here. Blablubbs|talk 00:06, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Blablubbs: The socks in this report are all (more or less) confirmed to each other (actually, if I'm being completely clear, the latter two in the original listing I have a little technical question mark about, but that shouldn't hold anything up). I have no comment about Dzurdzuketi or 'the master'. -- zzuuzz (talk) 00:12, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Three more accounts have triggered filter 1055 since my post above:
See also
That wasn't my note -- I was just disabling TPA. User:Ponyo did the identification. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 15:02, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This case is being reviewed by Blablubbs as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.
    Given the aggression, the focus on Ingush people and the fact that this lot is targeting people that Dzurdzuketi socks have had previous run-ins with (e.g. [12][13] vs. [14][15]). I believe that it's very likely that Veinakh == Dzurdzuketi.  Tagged this group as confirmed to Veinakh (the oldest confirmed account) and suspected to Dzurzuketi. Leaving Hongr Ochirov and Billy got a Hamburger untagged because they're both already blocked and we don't have CU confirmation.  Clerk assistance requested: Could an admin clerk please merge Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Veinakh into this one? Thanks and best, Blablubbs|talk 15:21, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: Veinakh case merged here — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

14 June 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Akkadian99 has edited the same articles with the same stance as the sockmaster, so did User Valarkho. Edit history of sockmaster. Here are the edit history of several, not all, confirmed and suspected sockpuppets: confirmed sockpuppet 1, confirmed sockpuppet 2, confirmed sockpuppet 3, suspected sockpuppet 1, Reiner Gavriel (talk) 02:39, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston Hello, since you were involved in previous investigations regarding these sockpuppets, could you please check the ones I reported above? Thank you! Reiner Gavriel (talk) 21:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The following three accounts are  Confirmed to each other and I'm blocking them indef:
The connection of these editors with Dzurdzuketi is only on behavior, but there are many common traits. Their usual plan is to minimize the Chechen connection in any articles they edit and emphasize the Ingush connection. I ran across another account with similar behavior:
He was editing at Ingush people. This account has no technical match with the others but it fits the behavioral pattern. Ilyas2006 triggers the edit filter on almost every edit of that article so I recommend that a clerk block them one month for disruptive editing. Or, if you think they match well enough on behavior to the other socks, issue a sock block. I'm also doing an EC protection of Ingush people due to the long term sock editing. EdJohnston (talk) 03:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Note: Ilyas2006 hasn't edited since July, so no action at the moment ~TNT (she/her • talk) 00:47, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

12 July 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Kavkas is basically doing the same thing as the other confirmed sockpuppets previously, like Kist-Dzurdzuk. It appears to me that User:Kavkas also got into a smaller conflict with User:P_Aculeius regarding a similar issue In the meantime Donpedro8 is doing something similar to a number of previous sockpuppets, see StupidChechen for example. I apologize for having to tag you again @User:EdJohnston, but you are familiar with this investigation. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 02:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @User:EdJohnston, the account is still vandalising Ingush_people, could you please check it Reiner Gavriel (talk) 20:47, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:EdJohnston seems to be involved in another case right now, could You @User:Yamla please have a look on this since you blocked the previous sockpuppet Valarkho? Thank you a lot. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I stated in the results section below, Kavkas is on a different continent so they are Red X Unrelated technically. EdJohnston (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I wasn't aware that I was in a conflict—I was simply reverting repetitive edits that added very old sources of uncertain authority, which other experienced editors had previously removed from the article in question. The addition of this material might be considered a form of nationalist editing, or simply over-reliance on material that isn't particularly suitable for the encyclopedia due to its age and original purpose. P Aculeius (talk) 02:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Conflict" is the wrong word, "disagreement" might fit better. A disagreement over his edits that might be considered a form of nationalist editing, which is also the case with his current edits in Ingushetia and Ingush_people. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 21:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

Can the clerks tag these accounts if it is appropriate, and decide whether to request global locks? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:40, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Note: Tagging confirmed accounts as requested ~TNT (she/her • talk) 00:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

17 December 2022[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Hello, this user has multiple accounts, was blocked in the Russian project for using multiple accounts (Sockpuppetry). I noticed that in the English project, he uses the same names for accounts. Arranges edit wars for example here. Account blocked in Russian Wikipedia here. Cause, bypassing blocking several times and using with a large range of IP addresses - here. Participated in edit wars for a long time. The editing feature does from all accounts as in Russian Wikipedia (Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit). P. S. In time, it was after the blocking in the Russian Wikipedia that he moved to the English-language project. The main contribution of the participant in the conduct of wars in various articles. Here for example Durdzuks, Chechens, Nakh peoples, 2004 Nazran raid, Mongol invasions of Durdzuketia. Maybe there are more accounts. --Товболатов (talk) 03:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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In the Russian project, he had several more accounts, they were also blocked. If necessary, I will find them.Товболатов (talk) 14:49, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kist-Dzurdzuk, Ingush Orsthoy - It's his account that's been banned. In English, I saw Dzurduk previously blocked, I'll try to find him.--Товболатов (talk) 15:02, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dzurdzuketi— Here he is in my. Товболатов (talk) 15:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Q-bit array — better to wait for it.--Товболатов (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23it is clearly seen there that this is the same person, the tone created the accounts as in the Russian Wikipedia with similar names. And I’m not the only one who claims this, this participant also fought with him according to this article in Russian Wikipedia, he immediately recognized him. Russian viki here--Товболатов (talk) 16:37, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

here, here, here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Товболатов (talk • contribs) 16:42, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here fought his account and in English he immediately creates this article Sulom-Beck Sagopshinski--Товболатов (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From anonymous people in Russian they threatened and insulted me. There is a wide range of IP addresses.Товболатов (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WikiEditor1234567123 — Blocked forgery of information, conducting edit wars.--Товболатов (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23 Hello, I wonder if someone will consider or is it usually so long to wait--Товболатов (talk) 21:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23 If I once broke a rule in the English Wikipedia, then I have long passed my term, I do not engage in Vandalism, although many of my ill-wishers try to reproach me with this. Niyskho (talk) 22:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23 thanks for understanding, I hope during the investigation and these accounts will come across, he is now actively editing them in one fake article, they are somehow connected WikiEditor1234567123, MrMalaga, Iask1.--Товболатов (talk) 23:20, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn’t notice this request to bypass the blocking dated November 4.--Товболатов (talk) 23:49, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here he admitted that he used several accounts. Then deleted. Here waged a war of edits --Товболатов (talk) 00:19, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    • this is the whole group of virtual participants. These two are very similar User:Kist-Dzurdzuk и Kist-Dzurdzuk both are blocked, I think this is one person who rules from different IP addresses. They ruled concurrently in 2021. Trying to mislead other members.--Товболатов (talk) 18:22, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Erzi Tower On the reserve if they block another account created.--Товболатов (talk) 20:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit. He makes edits as usual from a mobile phone, and writes to himself, as in Russian, so that he would think differently.--Товболатов (talk) 20:34, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    • Of course, you don’t take it as an insult, but why are you dragging me into this story? I didn’t even really edit anything, and I didn’t edit those articles in which there were edit wars. No need to slander me. Erzi Tower (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bbb23 thanks a lot this is a good result, but this account is WikiEditor1234567123 I'm sure he's connected to someone. He expertly made edits from the start. A new member would not be able to know the project well. And from the first edits he started a war in articles --Товболатов (talk) 19:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again this article is written name changed the article was deleted by you as a blocked member Niyskho.--Товболатов (talk) 19:18, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

@Q-bit array: You blocked Niyskho at ru.wiki, but it's not clear to me what other named accounts, if any, were used by them. Of the three other named accounts mentioned here, only one has made any edits at ru.wiki, WikiEditor1234567123, and those edits were made subsequent to your block of Niyshko. Would you like to comment? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

10 January 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

The mentioned user above edits the same articles with the same information as confirmed sockpuppet Niyskho. The rhetoric and sources used are also very similar, if not the same. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 21:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please note that Ingush Orsthoy was indefinitely blocked (but not tagged) at ru.wiki by CheckUser Q-bit array. That plus the behavioral similarities would have been enough for me had it not been for some of the issues in the last report. We might want to consider running a check.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:23, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15 January 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Same articles, same vandalistic edits. Pretty clear to me, hope the mods can confirm it. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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1 February 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

‎77.87.98.105 Bypass blocking. The same anonym that was requested last time. --Товболатов (talk) 19:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Compare this edit by Ingush Orsthoy with this one by 77.87.98.105 as an example. This IP appears to be restoring edits quite similar to previous blocked socks. You can somehow thoroughly solve this, there is a large range of IP addresses --Товболатов (talk) 19:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • IP blocked two weeks this time. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

08 February 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

The user is clearly not new to editing on Wikipedia as you can see by him submitting 2 articles to draft. He and User:WikiEditor1234567123 got in touch through editing the article in draft Zaur, which is very suspicious. Two of Dzurdzuketis sockpuppets operated the same, getting in touch with User:WikiEditor1234567123 here and here. I am fairly confident that all these individuals are connected and work together. All of them push for a narrative that would be considered very biased by people with knowledge on the topic. User:WikiEditor1234567123 has been blocked on the Russian Wikipedia with his previous account. Reiner Gavriel (talk) 21:56, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I am fairly new to Wikipedia and read the Wikipedia guidelines [16] before creating my first article. I do not know WikiEditor1234567123, I suppose he has the same ethnic background, he must have seen my draft for article Zaur (village) [17] when he contacted me on the topic on my talk page. see here: [18]. It seems user Reiner Gavriel does not agree with him on various Ingush related articles, based on what I've read in the Vyappiy talk page. see here: [19]. I am not a sockpuppet, I believe discussing a topic or article with other users is not against Wikipedia's guidelines and rules.--Muqale (talk) 07:03, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. If you actually check our talk page i didn't manage to get in contact with Muqale, and where's a rule that prohibits that? Reiner Gavriel destroys Authorative sources here: [20][21], whenever it fits his narrative, he calls it biased narrative and vandalises Ingush pages. The admins should check on him definitely. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 07:08, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • Muqale is Red X Unrelated to recently confirmed socks. I did not check WikiEditor1234567123 because I do not see sufficient evidence to warrant a check, but I can report that they did not show up in any of my checks. Closing with no action. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello @Ivanvector, have you also checked if Muqale is related to @Niyskho and @Erzi Tower? Reiner Gavriel (talk) 18:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, those are among the accounts I checked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

30 March 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Block bypass Niyskho. Proven today in another project Wikipedia: Member Verification/Targimhoï --Товболатов (talk) 09:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One and the same person, bypassing blocking. Write the text with a black manner of a blocked participant. Verification in another project shows that a well -known blocked participant. On the Wikidat, the participant removed the intervals to articles from the Chechen Wikipedia. The participant is licked to block globally. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 15:02, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like it is he. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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20 May 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

I am opening a case here as per recommendation from various users on WP:ANI. I would like to report suspicious activity coming from this account @WikiEditor1234567123:. This account has been engaged in very long edit wars edits on several pages such as the Nazran raid page, which is my first encounter with him. He misrepresents his sources and does original research. I have elaborated on this in the talk page. Before I continue I will note that his account on the Russian wikipedia was notorious for edit warring on the very same article I am talking about (Nazran raid) and he was warned multiple times. He eventually got banned entirely on the Russian wikipedia due to him misrepresenting sources, as shown here.

One of the largest issues following my own investigation is suspicious behaviour that can only remind me of tag-teaming/meat-puppeting which I suspect is outright sockpuppeting with notorious accounts that have been banned already such as @Targimhoï:, @Niyskho: @MrMalaga: and @Malhuyataza: all of which are either suspected socks (mrMalaga, Malhuytaza) or confirmed socks (Targimhoi, Niyskho) of Durdzuketi a banned account that has over 10 confirmed banned socks. Targimhoi and mrMalaga were also involved on the Nazran raid article where I got involved with them. They made much of the same edits and the accounts have been subsequently banned for sock-puppeting. This is the long list of over 10 accounts that have been confirmed as sockpuppets for Dzurdzuketi and banned, including user:Targimhoi. I’ve been checking the recent history of these accounts and there are several reasons for my suspicion of @WikiEditor1234567123: being involved in tag-teaming/meat-puppeting/sock-puppeting.

  • Incredibly consecutive editing. At several points has Wikieditor along with Targimhoi made edits in a very short time difference from each other. Here are examples of edits between Wikieditor and Targimhoi on articles that barely get 1 view per day. Some of these edits are minutes within each other. Note that there is no mention or tagging of each other. Wikieditor edits something on a 1 view per day article and suddenly 5 minutes after Targimhoi takes over.
    • Ex1, 1 minute difference
    • Ex2, 1 hour
    • Ex3, 7 minute difference
    • Ex4, 25 minute difference

The examples above are all on the same lines as the previous editor which you can see on the revisions, and there’s no explanation for the edits that are being done. This reminds of a joint effort.

  • Wikieditor and Targimhoi seems to have been involved in numerous disputes and are seen to be backing each other. In my case on the Nazran raid article, they make the same edits and argue for the same stuff, with Targimhoi backing up Wikieditor only an hour after I edited the first time. On the same day my dispute with them was going on, Wikieditor was involved in a noticeboard incident. Targimhoi then appears out of nowhere to express his support for Wikieditor without having been mentioned or pinged anywhere.
  • Editing a sandbox draft for a confirmed sockpuppet @Malhuyataza: of @MrMalaga: that make the same disruptive edits. I have no idea of where he found this sandbox draft or what led him to it. mrMalaga is also suspected to be Dzurdzuketi
  • Here Wikieditor is seen editing/expanding on a draft at the same time as user Malhuyataza (confirmed sock of mrMalaga, suspected to be dzurdzuketi) literally under a day after the draft was created. Two other accounts were also seen editing on this draft, @Blasusususu: and @Iask1:. Both accounts have been banned for sockpuppeting.
  • What seems like very targeted mass edits on Fyappi article. Wikieditor is seen editing with niyskho(another confirmed sockpuppet in the dzurdzuketi list), later on targimhoi jumps in. Looks like a mass targeting of the same page. Again they are not explaining their edits to each other, which further makes me believe they are connected. Edit warring for at least like 2 months.

More:

  • Very long edit wars on articles such as 2004 Nazran raid, Fyappiy, Orstkhoy etc.
  • After checking his revision history I also noticed most of the time he doesn’t explain his edits. This is often done when editing along with accounts that have been banned for sockpuppeting.
  • Original research/misrepresenting sources. He was banned for this very thing on the Russian wiki. Keeps doing it on the English one.
  • Blatant POV-pushing/nationalistic edits, heavy bias. Seems to be insisted on having Ingush written everywhere, evident by the articles I have linked. Very much in style for the 10+ accounts that are socks of Dzurdzuketi

Ola Tønningsberg (talk) 00:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I had previously made a post about this on WP:AN, but the post was auto-archived. This is a revision of the following comments made by the subject WikiEditor1234567123 on WP:AN and my replies after. Ola Tønningsberg (talk) 18:02, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, @RoySmith. I believe the main focus should be on potential meatpuppeting/tag-teaming. My report is pretty extensive with evidence of several cases of these accounts backing each other or making small edits within minutes of each other, along with many other things. And that's to keep it short. I came here in the first place because I was told by another admin that SPI also handles cases of meatpuppeting. Because the CU came inconclusive, the behaviour evidence should be evaluated further, as @Rosguill says here. Ola Tønningsberg (talk) 00:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ola Tønningsberg if an admin believes the user is inappropriately collaborating with other users off-wiki, they can still be blocked for that. It doesn't need to sit in the SPI queue. On the other hand, if somebody wants to reopen this case, I won't object. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith Could I tag other admins/users who were involved in other cases in this Dzurdzuketi archive? Should there not be a discussion regarding the behavioral aspect? Because this user is having a lot of overlap with 3 banned accounts, 2 other accounts are confirmed socks of one of the banned accounts. Ola Tønningsberg (talk) 01:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston @Ivanvector. Apologies if I'm bothering. I would like to hear your opinions about this case, considering you've been involved with banning these socks before. Does this look like meatpuppeting? Hope you find the time to look through and let me hear your thoughts. Cheers. Ola Tønningsberg (talk) 21:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • WikiEditor1234567123 appears to be Red X Unrelated to the other accounts listed in this report, based on CU data. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ola Tønningsberg: I'm reopening this case. I'm not convinced it's necessary, but whatever.... -- RoySmith (talk) 01:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having now had a chance to look at this case closely I remain overall undecided. Comparing edits made by WE to the Dzurdzuketi socks on any given calendar day, there doesn't seem to be that much overlap (which is notable considering how all accounts are SPAs for Ingush topics). Their xtools timesheets look very different, edit summary styles are distinct, and it seems odd for someone to continuously be editing with new, CU-confirmable sockpuppets all while maintaining another account that they can anonymize. Their patterns of speech on talk pages are fairly different, although as of the new year the CU-blocked socks have largely stopped writing at length on talk pages. It seems unlikely that these accounts are controlled by the same person, although the edits to Draft-space articles are suspicious and overall may suggest collusion between multiple editors. I suspect that, compared to proving that these accounts are colluding, it may be considerably easier to prove a ban is needed at WP:AE by demonstrating either a) persistent or willful misrepresentation of sources, b) refusal to abide by consensus, or c) persistent adherence to clearly counterfactual positions as verified by both a consensus of RS and editors signed, Rosguill talk 01:53, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: Closing as per Rosguill's comment. In the future, feel free to do so yourself when you feel the evidence is insufficient to warrant a block! Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

06 July 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Kavkas was indeffed on 15 December 2022 [22], Muqale made his first edit more or a less a month after [23].

They have incredible similar EIA in very niche topics [24]. Not only that, but their interests/edits are also very similar.

They both primarily rely on outdated, non-WP:RS 19th-century sources by figures who barely constitute as historians. That includes the two obscure figures Wahl and Koch, whom they both cited here at Gelae (Scythian tribe) [25] [26]. In both edits, they also attempt to connect the Gelae to the Ingush Ghalghaï through these horrible "sources".

In the "See also" section at Abrek, Muqale restored info [27] added by Kavkas [28] [29] HistoryofIran (talk) 16:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Callanecc: Sorry, but did the CU not show any results? What about a behavioral investigation? Imo the similarities here are too similar. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:28, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Muqale has a suspiciously similar writing pattern and interests to this banned sock Valarkho. Both users edited the Gelae article in question with the editor in this SPI using the same source as Valarkho. Both accounts added this shoddy map to the article, here and here. I believe a CU check is warranted between these two accounts. Ola Tønningsberg (talk) 21:53, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
pinging @Callanecc: Ola Tønningsberg (talk) 21:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • Red X Unrelated. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • @HistoryofIran: From the CU result Kavkas appears to be on a different continent to Muqale. I've moved this to the usual open queue for a behavioural investigation. Note that Muqale also appeared in this SPI (not sure if relevant). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have compared against CU logs for Valarkho, and find that Muqale geolocates to the same country - so far, so  Possible. That country has no obvious strong connection to the Gelae, and it is a very low-traffic article (12 edits in the two years between Valarkho's last edit and Muqale's first). I find it very unlikely that two unrelated accounts would show up at that same article making similar edits and adding the same map. I'm going to block as a suspected sock of Valarkho (no view on whether Valarkho was correctly linked to Dzurdzuketi). Girth Summit (blether) 11:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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