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June 26[edit]
Category:American expatriate baseball players in Canada[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: What constitutes an expatriate? Is it someone who moves to another country, or works there? If the latter, how long and/or often do they need to work there? Is his permanent residence relevant? An American who plays for a Canadian team plays at most half his team's games in Canada, with the rest in the United States. As for a Canadian on a Canadian team, he will similarly play half his team's games in Canada, but now he plays the other half in the United States - does that make him an expatriate Canadian in the United States while he is a member of a Canadian team? And does this player's permanent residence matter?
Further:
- is this status permanent, or does it end when the player stops playing for the related team?
- when does this status take effect? does an American on an American team who plays say six games on the road in Toronto in a season qualify?
- this category title just says "...players in Canada". Should it specify players who live in Canada, or who play/work in Canada, etc?
There are endless similar categories in multiple sports featuring multiple countries that could be affected, but let's start here. Is this even a defining characteristic? Baseball players can be defined by their hometowns, their position(s) played, the team(s) for which they played, etc, but does this expat category even serve a meaningful purpose? There are ~2400 players in this category, including people like Butch Alberts, who played his entire six game career for the Blue Jays (3 in Canada, 3 on the road in the United States, for what it's worth) in 1978. Should he qualify for this category and why? Echoedmyron (talk) 22:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning support, it does not seem to be a defining characteristic, in contrast to "emigrant". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would say "weak oppose"; this is part of a very large tree of Category:Expatriate baseball players, as well as many other sports. I would also inform WP: Baseball about this nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep unless the larger expatriate category is addressed. As to the original question, "What constitutes an expatriate?", the article Expatriate can be consulted to answer that one.--User:Namiba 17:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Music pedagogues by instrument[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Music pedagogues by instrument to Category:Music educators by instrument
- Propose renaming Category:Cello pedagogues to Category:Cello educators
- Propose renaming Category:Drum pedagogues to Category:Drum educators
- Propose renaming Category:Guqin pedagogues to Category:Guqin educators
- Propose renaming Category:Piano pedagogues to Category:Piano educators
- Propose renaming Category:American piano pedagogues to Category:American piano educators
- Propose renaming Category:British piano pedagogues to Category:British piano educators
- Propose renaming Category:French piano pedagogues to Category:French piano educators
- Propose renaming Category:German piano pedagogues to Category:German piano educators
- Propose renaming Category:Viola pedagogues to Category:Viola educators
- Propose renaming Category:Violin pedagogues to Category:Violin educators
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are the only in the Category:Music educators tree which don't use "educators". The terms "music pedagogue" and "music pedagogy" both redirect to music education, the main topic for this category, and that article uses "pedagogy" just 17 times ("pedagogue" gets zero) while "education" appears 220 times and "educator" 31. Unsurprising, as "pedagogy" is a less common academic term, at least in my experience. All reasons for which I think it would make more sense to make this change. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:United Kingdom history book stubs[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:British history book stubs. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:United Kingdom history book stubs to Category:British history book stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Category:German history book stubs and also with its own sisters Category:British battle stubs and Category:British election stubs. Using UK as the nationality is incorrect. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. --Fadesga (talk) 21:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- rename per nom Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 13:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Ham II (talk) 21:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Phobias[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Phobias to Category:Phobias and Category:Prejudice and discrimination
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains both anxiety disorders such as claustrophobia and forms of prejudice such as mormonophobia (a redirect to anti-Mormonism). I would like to remove the latter from this category and place them instead in (appropriate sub-categories of) Category:Prejudice and discrimination. gnu57 20:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently a few articles have been misclassified. That doesn't even require a discussion, just go ahead with recategorizing them. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:1st-century bishops of Carthage[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category which is not helpful for navigation between articles. Besides it is not certain whether the subject of the only article was a bishop of Carthage or Cartagena. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per rationale. OhHaiMark (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles during Roman Civil wars[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Battles, Category:Civil wars and Category:Roman civil wars not subcategorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, these are unrelated battles of very different civil wars. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. An unnecessary attempt to put all the eggs in one basket, it would seem. With Rome, that doesn't work because Roman history must be considered phase by phase. PearlyGigs (talk) 23:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Chen dynasty Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Chen dynasty Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Liang dynasty Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Liang dynasty Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Liu Song Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Liu Song Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Northern Qi Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Qi Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Northern Wei Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Wei Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Northern Zhou Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Zhou Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Southern Qi Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Southern Qi Buddhists
- Nominator's rationale: merge, narrow intersection between very short-living dynasties (typically a few decades) and religion and occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Prague-West geography stubs[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge with template into parent Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs. This and the nomination above fail to reach a reasonable number of stubs (around 60 is the usual cut-off). Not understubbed as far as I can tell. Note: if kept, it should be renamed to Category:Prague-West District geography stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs).Grutness...wha? 06:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @FromCzech: pinging. Grutness...wha? 06:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mělník geography stubs[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge with template into parent Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs. This and the nomination below fail to reach a reasonable number of stubs (around 60 is the usual cut-off). Not understubbed as far as I can tell. Note: if kept, it should be renamed to Category:Mělník District geography stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Grutness...wha? 06:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @FromCzech: pinging. Grutness...wha? 06:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British co-ed groups[edit]
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Category:Checkmat[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Brazilian jiu-jitsu training facilities not subcategorized by individual jiu-jitsu academies. Gjs238 (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the first four articles are already directly interlinked and the 5th article is not really related. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Dream Art[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Brazilian jiu-jitsu training facilities not subcategorized by individual jiu-jitsu academies. Gjs238 (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the first two articles are already directly interlinked and the 3rd article is not really related. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:3rd century in Africa (Roman province)[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 3#Category:3rd century in Africa (Roman province)
Category:Articles unintentionally citing retracted publications[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Articles unintentionally citing retracted publications to Category:Articles citing retracted publications
- Propose renaming Category:Articles citing retracted publications to Category:Articles intentionally citing retracted publications
- Propose renaming Category:Articles unintentionally citing publications with expressions of concern to Category:Articles citing publications with expressions of concern
- Propose renaming Category:Articles citing publications with expressions of concern to Category:Articles intentionally citing publications with expressions of concern
- Propose renaming Category:Articles unintentionally citing publications with errata to Category:Articles citing publications with errata
- Propose renaming Category:Articles citing publications with errata to Category:Articles intentionally citing publications with errata
Follow-up from Previous Cfd. However, all these templates are linked, so keeping the convention constant will be ideal. For context, {{retracted}}
is added by bots and humans, so we should not be assuming that a retraction is used unintentially just because it is tagged. Moving the "default" categories to the neutral names, and moving the "checked"/"intentional" to subcategories seems like a better way to do this. Mdann52 (talk) 06:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Noting for the record that Mdann52 left all the participants at the previous discussion a note at their talk pages (thank you!); this is certainly within WP:APPNOTE. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:School fire disasters[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge to Category:School fires. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:School fire disasters to Category:School fires
- Nominator's rationale: Superfluous/unclear distinction between these two categories; a fire is, by definition, a disaster ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge, the header specifies "that caused loss of life" but most notable school fires have caused loss of life. The merge should be done manually because a number of articles are already in e.g. Category:School fires in the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Related to Ulterior Motives[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: We don't create categories for "related" topics Skyshiftertalk 00:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete i don’t care anymore just delete it Kierandude (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per proposer and Marcocapelle. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per proposer and the unlikeliness of such categories to exist. Xeroctic (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Old style serif typefaces[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Old style serif typefaces to Category:Venetian serif typefaces and removing any articles that are already in both Category:Transitional serif typefaces and Category:Old style serif typefaces from the Category:Old style serif typefaces (as it's redundant).
- Nominator's Rationale: In Vox-ATypI classification#Classicals, Old style serif typefaces can be categorized into 3 subclasses. All of these 3 subclasses has their own categories in French Wikipedia. However, only 2 out of 3 of those French Wikipedia categories has a corresponding category in English Wikipedia:
- Venetian (fr:Catégorie:Police d'écriture humane, currently corresponding to Category:Old style serif typefaces)
- Garalde (fr:Catégorie:Police d'écriture garalde, currently corresponding to newly-created Category:Garalde serif typefaces)
- Transitional (fr:Catégorie:Police d'écriture réale, currently corresponding to Category:Transitional serif typefaces)
I suggest that the Category:Old style serif typefaces be renamed to Category:Venetian serif typefaces. Also, I proposes that any articles that are already in both Category:Transitional serif typefaces and Category:Old style serif typefaces be removed from the Category:Old style serif typefaces (as it's redundant).Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 04:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Blythwood: given your earlier contributions noted on the talk page, can you comment on this, please? I am not familiar with the topic, but I think your comment there implies that the nomination is correct. – Fayenatic London 11:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – thanks for pinging me. Garalde and Venetian are sub-genres of old-style types, but they aren't all-encompassing. Designs like Trinité or Arno may not neatly fit into either genre (something the specimen comments on, see page 6). So I think "Old style serif typefaces" is worth retaining as a main category with Garalde and Venetian as subcategories. Blythwood (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- If we're keeping both Garalde and Venetian categories as subcategories of old-style serif typefaces, then I suggest that Category:Transitional serif typefaces be another subcategory of old-style serif typefaces as well. Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 17:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – thanks for pinging me. Garalde and Venetian are sub-genres of old-style types, but they aren't all-encompassing. Designs like Trinité or Arno may not neatly fit into either genre (something the specimen comments on, see page 6). So I think "Old style serif typefaces" is worth retaining as a main category with Garalde and Venetian as subcategories. Blythwood (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Women conservationists[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Conservationists. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: A non-notable intersection of gender and occupation. User:Namiba 14:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sort the rules out Wikipedia's policy on this is far from clear. Category deletion should be based on a clearly agreed set of rules and until then such categories should be left alone. Why is a "Female United States senators" category OK when "women conservationists" is not. I can assure you that to become a conservationist in PNG is for a women in PNG a considerable achievement and far from "non-notable". Roundtheworld (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
DeleteMerge, trivial intersection with gender. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)- Merge. Shouldn't these be merged to Conservationists? These women are still conservationists. Mason (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- So Female American Senators should be merged with Senators? Roundtheworld (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- If they would be merged, probably not to Category:United States senators because all articles are already in the tree of Category:United States senators by state. But here not all articles are in the tree of Category:Conservationists by nationality yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Thoughts on merging?
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- Merge per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge both into Category:Conservationists which already holds several articles about women. It's a separate task but we need to expand Category:Conservationists by nationality so that Conservationists becomes a container category. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 25[edit]
Category:Bright green environmentalism[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is fundamentally subjective and vaguely-defined. It gives me the impression of promoting a particular obscure philosophy. I'm pretty familiar with environmentalism as a movement and I've never heard of "bright green environmentalism" except through this category. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, I hadn't heard of the term either but the concept is familiar. And bright green environmentalism apparently has an article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Admittedly not well known, but an entirely valid concept insofar as environmentalists are concerned. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete or merge, poorly populated stub category and we do not have any similar Pakistani province stub categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- @Marcocapelle: what do you envision happening with the stub templates in the category? (For ease of reference, they are {{GilgitBaltistan-sport-stub}}, {{GilgitBaltistan-edu-stub}}, and {{GilgitBaltistan-stub}}.) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster: good question. The templates should be moved to Category:Pakistan stub templates (they should already have been there) and the articles are already in another Pakistan stub subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, what stub category should the stub templates feed into? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster: good question. The templates should be moved to Category:Pakistan stub templates (they should already have been there) and the articles are already in another Pakistan stub subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Galician animated films[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Galician animated films to Category:Galician-language animated films
- Nominator's rationale: In accordance with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" are not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are two different categories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_animated_films). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split between Category:Galician-language films and Category:Spanish-language films, dependent on the actual language of the film. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Split per Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 19:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep. Strongly Opposed to renaming in accordance with my !vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. Create Category:Galician-language animated films, which is not a duplicate of this category, just like English animated films are not all English-language animated films, etc. Note to Marcocapelle and Nederlandse Leeuw: this Cfd is about ANIMATED films only. a subcategory of Cat:Galician films (and Galician animated film industry is a rather notable one).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep & oppose renaming per Mushy Yank and my own reasoning at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. Most of these films are in Spanish and/or English, and renaming them will disqualify almost all of them from membership, leading to an underpopped cat that should be upmerged again. This proposal leads nowhere. (I've struck my earlier !vote as I've changed my mind). NLeeuw (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Athletes by location in Greece[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Athletes by location in Greece to Category:Greek athletes
- Propose merging Category:Swimmers by location in Greece to Category:Greek swimmers
- Propose merging Category:Sailors (sport) by location in Greece to Category:Greek sailors (sport)
- Propose merging Category:Rowers by location in Greece to Category:Greek rowers
- Propose merging Category:Gymnasts by location in Greece to Category:Greek gymnasts
- Propose merging Category:Basketball players by location in Greece to Category:Greek basketball players
- Propose merging Category:Volleyball players by location in Greece to Category:Greek volleyball players
- Propose merging Category:Water polo players by location in Greece to Category:Greek water polo players
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge; only one category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Theoretically it should include more subcategories, by regional unit, etc.. As such it would fit with the rest of the tree. I think they were even included at some point but I haven't checked in a while. Antondimak (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Antondimak, if this - along with other categories in Category:Sportspeople by location in Greece which I only just noticed - can be populated, I will withdraw the nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I remember most of these being populated. Now only footballers are. I don't know of any tool to check category history. Antondimak (talk) 14:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Antondimak, if this - along with other categories in Category:Sportspeople by location in Greece which I only just noticed - can be populated, I will withdraw the nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Theoretically it should include more subcategories, by regional unit, etc.. As such it would fit with the rest of the tree. I think they were even included at some point but I haven't checked in a while. Antondimak (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Athletes by location in Greece, I've populated it so the nomination is no longer valid. Should do the same for the rest. --Habst (talk) 14:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Antondimak, @Marcocapelle, I've added the remaining categories which have only one category layer. Anton, my best guess is that, if they did exist, they were likely merged or deleted. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- For no good reason I'd guess. Do you know of any tool to check category history? Antondimak (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm afraid not but @Marcocapelle may know. Personally, I can't find any Cfd on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The only thing I know, or vaguely remember is better-phrased, is that in Google search you can to some extent find back older versions of a webpage. So this is outside Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm afraid not but @Marcocapelle may know. Personally, I can't find any Cfd on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- For no good reason I'd guess. Do you know of any tool to check category history? Antondimak (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Antondimak, @Marcocapelle, I've added the remaining categories which have only one category layer. Anton, my best guess is that, if they did exist, they were likely merged or deleted. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 19:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- @Habst, if you can populate the rest as well, I will withdraw the nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bergey's volume 1[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Apparently the contents of the category are bacterial taxa discussed in volume 1 of Bergey's Manual of Systematic Bacteriology. This is not a defining characteristic of the subject of the articles in the category Plantdrew (talk) 19:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Football teams in Africa[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Doesn't follow the pattern in the category tree of Category:Association football teams (all articles previously categorized here were association football teams, not other football). And no other categories by continent in this category tree. P 1 9 9 ✉ 18:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied by nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 01:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Unnecessary. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:National football teams in Africa[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete as redundant to Category:African national association football teams (yes, not exactly the same, but all articles previously categorized here were association football teams). P 1 9 9 ✉ 18:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied by nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 01:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Effectively a duplicate. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Argentine commanders in the Falklands War[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 3#Category:Argentine commanders in the Falklands War
Category:Horror cinema[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Horror films. Created by a user that a week later was blocked. Gonnym (talk) 17:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the category might instead be meant as a topic article, but there does not seem to be enough content about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Numismatic history of Ecuador[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Numismatic history of Bolivia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Numismatic history of Ecuador (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Numismatic history of Mexico (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Numismatic history of Peru (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: All have the same single article, Macuquina. All categories and the article were created by the same user that a week later was blocked. Merge to a single target (possibly Category:Numismatics). Gonnym (talk) 17:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we do not have any other categories by country like these. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all: WP:OVERCAT Gjs238 (talk) 13:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all four per nom and WP:OVERCAT. Pichpich (talk) 20:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Blind cricket administration[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Blind cricket governing bodies. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Blind cricket administration to Category:Blind cricket governing bodies
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, it is a set category only containing governing bodies. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cities in Sevastopol[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: move Inkerman to Category:Cities in Crimea and Kacha, Sevastopol to Category:Cities in Crimea and Category:Geography of Sevastopol; delete all four nominated categories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Cities in Sevastopol to Category:Geography of Sevastopol and Category:Cities in Crimea
- Propose merging Category:Urban-type settlements in Sevastopol to Category:Geography of Sevastopol
- Propose deleting Category:Towns in Nakhimov Raion, Sevastopol (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Sevastopol (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge/delete, only one category/article in each. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Should the two populated places be in Category:Administrative divisions of Sevastopol? I wasn't fully sure. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: updated target categories per Marco's suggestion below. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but preferably to Category:Geography of Sevastopol. "Populated places in" does not make too much sense since Sevastopol is a city of itself and "administrative divisions of" is uncertain. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll update the nomination then. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all four and move Inkerman into Category:Cities in Crimea. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, so that would be a dual merge. That is fine too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's right. Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 18:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand how that would be a dual merge? What exactly is happening to Kacha, Sevastopol? Pinging @PearlyGigs, Marcocapelle, and Omnis Scientia. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster: it is merging to Category:Geography of Sevastopol and Category:Cities in Crimea. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's my understanding too. I think my "delete all four" opinion should have mentioned Kacha as well as Inkerman. Sorry about that. PearlyGigs (talk) 05:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster, I agree with the dual merge/delete all four proposal by both Marco and Pearly, for both Inkerman and Kacha. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster: it is merging to Category:Geography of Sevastopol and Category:Cities in Crimea. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, so that would be a dual merge. That is fine too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Irish provincial cricket unions[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the parent category is otherwise almost empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Lebanese Protestant hymnwriters[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Lebanese songwriters. Discussion of the categorization of Wadia Sabra can take place at Talk:Wadia Sabra. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Lebanese Protestant hymnwriters to Category:Lebanese songwriters and Category:Protestant hymnwriters
- Nominator's rationale: 3x upmerge. Narrow category that's only got one person in it Mason (talk) 03:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Lebanese songwriters only. The fact that, as an expatriate, he took a job as the principal organist of the Evangelical Church of the Holy Spirit, is very weak evidence of him being Protestant. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:New Zealand men by occupation and century[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I agree with upmerging "for now" given the obvious duplication here, but I think the whole question of men by occupation versus women by occupation will require some serious discussion. Outside of things like sport, men and women work together. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Male wartime nurses[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Male nurses. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Male wartime nurses to Category:Male nurses
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category has only one page in it, who is already in a more specific Wartime nurses category Mason (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS, beyond gender there is no signifcant difference between different types of nurses. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. In nursing, gender is non-defining. PearlyGigs (talk) 22:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 24[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Alberta to Category:Cabinets of Alberta navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Manitoba to Category:Cabinets of Manitoba navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick to Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador to Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia to Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Ontario to Category:Cabinets of Ontario navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island to Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Quebec to Category:Cabinets of Quebec navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan to Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan navigational boxes
- Nominator's rationale: All of these categories are navbox categories, and should be named accordingly. RedBlueGreen93 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. --Lenticel (talk) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:John Marshall Law School (Chicago) faculty[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law faculty. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The school was renamed and the corresponding alumni category was moved to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law alumni. This should follow suit. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional children by occupation[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional children. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional children by occupation to Category:Fictional children
- Nominator's rationale: Nominating this again, this time for merge. Right now it is a WP:NARROWCAT with only two subcategories. It might need to be dual merged, but either way it is clearly unnecessary with so few subcategories ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is no need to be rude and hostile, and most of the subcategories were removed for being blatantly incorrect so it's a different situation than last time. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The old nomination was Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18#Category:Fictional_children_by_occupation. And now there are four subcategories. The only contents at the time of this nomination were Category:Fictional child prostitutes and Category:Fictional child soldiers; the other two, I thought we agreed to remove (alogn with two others) at the end of the last CfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they were re-added post nomination, but consensus agreed they did not belong in this category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layers with only two subcategories. I am discounting the two subcategories that were purged after the previous discussion as they do not belong here. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: What do you think about this? AHI-3000 (talk) 11:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There is scope for expansion. On the topic of prostitutes, illegal occupations are still occupations. Dimadick (talk) 12:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- That was in the category at the time of the nomination, and still is. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)- AHI-3000, please stop edit warring on this matter. Do not repeatedly add members to the category that were purged as a result of the CfD discussion. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree there is scope for expansion. We have two subcategories here because Child prostitution and Children in the military are notable topics. I can't imagine any others for which this applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. I can't see any real scope for expansion beyond, say, Victorian children who were forced to work in mines or as chimney sweeps. Even so, I doubt if there would ever be enough subjects in each "occupation" to create anything more than a small category. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kenyon Owls[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies to Category:Kenyon Owls
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletes to Category:Kenyon Owls athletes
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletic directors to Category:Kenyon Owls athletic directors
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball players to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball players to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football to Category:Kenyon Owls football
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls football coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football players to Category:Kenyon Owls football players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football seasons to Category:Kenyon Owls football seasons
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies swimming and diving to Category:Kenyon Owls swimming and diving
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Ladies swimmers to Category:Kenyon Owls women's swimmers
- Nominator's rationale: Kenyon College changed its fight name from Lords and Ladies to Owls in 2022. See here and here. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nomination. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom --Lenticel (talk) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Necessary changes. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mansas of Mali[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mansas of Mali to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire
- Nominator's rationale: rename as more accurate, this is not about the modern republic of Mali. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The modern country of Mali gained independence in 1960. Alternatively Category:Mansas, as the title Mansa is used only for the Mali Empire. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Alt rename or as per nom?
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- Just Category:Mansas is fine with me as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming as Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire, not as Category:Mansas. I think we need to mention the Mali Empire to provide the readers with that extra bit of information. Someone seeing Mansas might easily think it is about something else entirely, like Manassas. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Template:CartoonNetwork-stub[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Template no longer needed. After the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#Category:Cartoon Network stubs resulted in its dedicated category being deleted as underpopulated, the uses of this template were purged for whether they needed to be filed directly in Category:Animation stubs or not, and it turned out that every article with this on it either didn't belong in that category at all or was simply redundant to the page already being in the Category:Animated television series stubs subcategory, meaning it's now been completely stripped from articlespace and is now in use only on a single ten-year-old user sandbox page that's still completely unreferenced for the purposes of becoming salvageable as an article.
Essentially, without a dedicated category this is just redundant to other templates, because any possible use of it would now just result in duplicate categorization of the page in both Category:Animation stubs and one of its subcategories at the same time. Bearcat (talk) 13:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former Premier League clubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Currently empty but, until just now, it had only Leeds United in it. A total of 51 clubs have played in the Premier League and all except Leeds were in Category:Premier League clubs. Has someone been having a laugh? If the PLC category is meant to hold all 51 clubs, then FPLC is redundant. On the other hand, keeping FPLC will mean seasonal updates in both categories which no one will want to do. PearlyGigs (talk) 06:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 06:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Liz. Should I have left it alone pending the outcome of this discussion? I'll revert the edit if so. Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 06:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and populate. The decision should be made for all leagues from Category:Association football clubs by former league, not only for England. Even for all structure Category:Sports teams by former league. Keep all (first choice) or delete all. Teterev53 (talk) 12:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- There seems to be no set purpose for the Category:Association football clubs by former league and its subcats. Are we talking about defunct clubs, or about clubs that have gone upwards from an amateur league to a professional one, or about all promotions/relegations. Take Category:Former Highland Football League teams for example. This includes Aberdeen, whose first team never played in the league, although one of their reserve teams did. Then there are four other clubs currently in the SPFL, three former clubs which became entities of Caley Thistle, and three fully defunct clubs. What exactly is the scope of that category?
- As for the FPLC category, it is obviously not being maintained and I doubt if it ever will be. I'd have thought that the scope of Category:Premier League clubs is clubs whose teams have played in the PL, even if for only one season back in the 1990s. Similarly, I would expect to find the likes of Cove Rangers in Category:Highland Football League teams, as well as in the SPFL category.
- We have to remember that categories provide essential navigation for the readers and so their scope and purpose must be certain. The use of "former" in a category title is bound to confuse and mislead. Does it mean "defunct" (like Wimbledon), does it mean "once upon a time" (like Oldham), or does it mean "not at the moment" (like Leeds). PearlyGigs (talk) 14:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and re-populate as above. The name of the category is a separate discussion. GiantSnowman 20:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- But if we re-populate the former clubs category, what happens to the 31 articles in Category:Premier League clubs about clubs that will not be in the PL next season? And will the two categories be updated at the end of each season? PearlyGigs (talk) 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - it is nothing to do with Category:Association football clubs by former league as the Premier League is a current league. Perspicax (talk) 22:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- This seems to be a strong argument. It also implies that a broader discussion about Category:Association football clubs by former league is not necessary. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's an excellent point by Perspicax and I admit it didn't occur to me. I agree the proposed discussion is unnecessary within the context of this nomination. The question is whether relegated members of the PL, many of whom will eventually regain promotion, should be categorised as "former" or should be categorised as having played in the league. Remember that when I found Category:Former Premier League clubs, it contained Leeds only, so it was obviously not being maintained. Teterev53 did a partial population after this nomination was raised. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- If Category:Association football clubs by former league is only meant to contain sub-cats relating to defunct leagues, as @Perspicax:'s comment seems to imply, than it needs some work, as it contains sub-cats relating to the Highland League and the League of Ireland, both of which are still very much in existence ("current") -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:12th-century Arab historians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category. Upmerge to 12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world Mason (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I have been making efforts to phase out the Category:Medieval Islamic world WP:OR WP:ARBITRARYCAT tree, step by step. I gave it a break in September, but I still think the whole tree should be phased out. Isolation is not a problem; the real issue is creating pseudo-historical unity where there was none for WP:POV reasons. NLeeuw (talk) 18:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have an alternative merge target? Such as 12th-century historians?Mason (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging Nederlandse Leeuw. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I think a
Reverse mergewould work, at least for those who were Arab. We should check for Persian, Turkic etc. historians in the MIW cat. NLeeuw (talk) 23:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- E.g. Basil bar Shumna is described as "Syriac". Might fit in the Syrian subcat? Otherwise it seems fine. NLeeuw (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think that reverse merge doesn't address the issue of the isolated target. I'd much rather merge to Category:12th-century historians instead of a reverse merge, per egrs and the fact that the category is isolated. Mason (talk) 02:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- E.g. Basil bar Shumna is described as "Syriac". Might fit in the Syrian subcat? Otherwise it seems fine. NLeeuw (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I think a
- Pinging Nederlandse Leeuw. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have an alternative merge target? Such as 12th-century historians?Mason (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on reverse merging?
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- Oppose reverse merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The difference between the two is certainly insignificant. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 09:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus on direction of merging.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing has changed since nom started the discussion. Merging to parent categorie(s), in this case Category:12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world is the obvious fate of an undesirable category (or delete, but we all agree that delete is not applicable here). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with NLeeuw. A vague, and often contentious, expression like "medieval" or "middle ages" should not be in the title of a category that is essentially chronological (i.e., 12th century). The point is that there is no certainty about the timespan of the medieval period. I would merge both Category:12th-century Arab historians and Category:12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world into Category:12th-century historians, as also suggested above. PearlyGigs (talk) 10:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:National military histories by war[edit]
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Category:Northwest Community College Conference football standings templates[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges football standings templates. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The Northwest Athletic Conference sponsored football through the 1989 season when the league was known as the "Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges". Jweiss11 (talk) 03:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Defunct department stores of the United States and Category:Defunct discount stores of the United States
- Propose merging Category:Off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Department stores of the United States and Category:Discount stores of the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category Mason (talk) 13:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Great Britain[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- One big problem with keeping the original intended scope is: what is Category:Kingdom of Great Britain for if not the history of the Kingdom of Great Britain? It's not as if that entity still exists. Ham II (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary. The period of the Kingdom of Great Britain - from 1707 to 1800, is not really used by historians or the public. If kept it should be more clearly named to avoid confusion with the (main) geographical meaning of Great Britain, which has clearly been taken by some adders as the intended meaning. In fact such a category might make more sense, at the top of trees with UK, English, Scottish & Welsh sub-cats. Johnbod (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm leaning towards Option A, in order to make the scope fully about the geographical area Great Britain and not the former sovereign state the Kingdom of Great Britain. Anything about the history of the latter – Category:Politics of the Kingdom of Great Britain, probably Category:Colonial United States (British), etc. – should be at Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, currently a parent category to this one. A new header stating this might be necessary, because the distinction isn't obvious (which seems to have led to the current situation). Ham II (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The new header I'm proposing could be based on the existing one at Category:Great Britain. Ham II (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary per Johnbod and WP:ARBITRARYCAT / WP:SHAREDNAME. As Ham II pointed out, we've already got Category:Kingdom of Great Britain. I don't see the point of a separate tree for the island of Great Britain if everything is already in Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain and other subcategories and subtrees. NLeeuw (talk) 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete. I think the title is the problem here. It's ambiguous given that the Kingdom of Great Britain did exist. There are articles in the category which do not belong — for example, the Hampden Clubs were 19th century. We need to carefully recategorise each member and then delete this. I agree with NLeeuw that we should use Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, etc. PearlyGigs (talk) 06:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comments. 1. As the nominator, I do not oppose deletion. However, deletion should be implemented as manual merge to Kingdom of Great Britain. 2. Deletion of this category moves the problem to Category:History of Great Britain by period. We should discuss that next, including subcategories, if this category is deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of Category:History of the United Kingdom as a whole. That category includes, for example, Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with Acts of Union 1800. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Great Britain, if it's taken to refer to the island and not the Kingdom of Great Britain (and note the titles and scope of those articles), isn't an anachronistic term for any period, whereas United Kingdom is generally understood to be anachronistic for periods before 1801. England and Scotland are still current; Kingdom of England and Kingdom of Scotland are not. Ham II (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of Category:History of the United Kingdom as a whole. That category includes, for example, Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with Acts of Union 1800. PearlyGigs (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Beauty pageant controversies[edit]
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June 23[edit]
Category:Jewish American jazz composers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Jewish American jazz composers to Category:American jazz composers and Category:Jewish American composers and Category:Jewish jazz musicians
- Propose merging Category:Jewish jazz pianists to Category:Jewish jazz musicians
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Non-defining intersection between genre, instrument, and ethnicity per WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 22:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, jazz isn't related to Judaism. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category:Jewish jazz pianists has been emptied by an editor. Liz Read! Talk! 04:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Suicides by year[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Suicides by year to Category:Deaths by year
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- Nominator's rationale: Merge. Suicide is a way of dying. Since there is a Category:Suicide methods and Category:Deaths by year, I would argue we don't need a category for a specific way of dying by year. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t understand your rationale re: our having a cat for suicide methods and a cat for deaths by year. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Basically that its WP:OVERCAT. If a person dies by suicide, they should be categorized in the year they died and the way they died and there is no need for a seperate "by year" category for a specific way of dying. I've only nominated a decade for now to see how this Cfd goes. Then, if it goes through, I will nominate the rest. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, @LaundryPizza03, @Smasongarrison, pinging for your view on this Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t understand your rationale re: our having a cat for suicide methods and a cat for deaths by year. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - There's an a category for Category:Murder by year. With your rationale, murder is a method of dying, and should me merged into Category:Deaths by year. Unnatural deaths are notable and should be categorized out.GobsPint (talk) 21:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @GobsPint, but that isn't for categorizing people dying in a certain year, if you get what I mean. Not exactly the same thing. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose, there are a lot of suicides, so having them diffused by year is pretty helpful. Also either way, I think we should keep suicides in YEAR to be non-diffusing, so that everyone, regardless of cause of death can be found in the death by year category.Mason (talk) 22:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep There is no reason to not have a by-year diffusion for this category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:S.L. Benfica (table tennis)[edit]
- Propose
mergingsplitting Category:S.L. Benfica (table tennis) to Category:S.L. Benfica and Category:S.L. Benfica sportspeople- Added on relisting:
- Propose splitting Category:S.L. Benfica (archery) to Category:S.L. Benfica and Category:S.L. Benfica sportspeople
- Propose splitting Category:S.L. Benfica (rugby union) to Category:S.L. Benfica and Category:S.L. Benfica sportspeople
- Propose splitting Category:S.L. Benfica (volleyball) to Category:S.L. Benfica and Category:S.L. Benfica sportspeople
- Propose splitting Category:S.L. Benfica (handball) to Category:S.L. Benfica and Category:S.L. Benfica non-playing staff
- Added on relisting:
- Propose
- Nominator's rationale: Only two articles. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge No evidence that it can be expanded. Most other subcategories are similarly small and should also be merged. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because of WP:SEPARATE, shouldn't the small categories be split between the parent and a new subcat Category:S.L. Benfica sportspeople? – Fayenatic London 08:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure Seems reasonable. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Of cpourse. That would also clear out most of the other small sport subcats for this club. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK. A few countries have precedents for such categories by club (not only by sport), e.g. 4 out of 9 within Category:Sportspeople in Turkey by club or team. – Fayenatic London 20:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Of cpourse. That would also clear out most of the other small sport subcats for this club. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure Seems reasonable. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Adding small siblings.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 20:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split pre revised listing. – Fayenatic London 20:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as suggested. Sorry guys but you have really got the wrong end of the stick here. S.L. Benfica is a PRIMARYTOPIC, referring to the football/soccer club ONLY, and Category:S.L. Benfica relates to the football/soccer club only. Therefore there should be no merge from other sports into Category:S.L. Benfica or Category:S.L. Benfica non-playing staff (which, again, only relate to football). Instead, we need to create a new category (something like Category:S.L. Benfica sections, and merge into there. Having Category:S.L. Benfica sportspeople as a paren category also makes sense. GiantSnowman 20:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Battles in Spain 3[edit]
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Category:WikiProject Fossorials[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Liz Read! Talk! 01:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:WikiProject Fossorials (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:All WikiProject Fossorials pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fossorial articles without taxoboxes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fossorials articles by importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:High-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Low-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mid-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:NA-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Top-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Unknown-importance Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fossorials articles by quality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:A-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:B-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:C-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Category-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Disambig-Class Fossorial articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Draft-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FA-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:FL-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:GA-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:List-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:NA-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Project-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Redirect-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Start-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Stub-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Template-Class Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Unassessed Fossorials articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:WikiProject Fossorials participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Project was deleted at MfD. Delete all sub-categories as well. Gonnym (talk) 17:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged the subcategories. Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all The subcategories are now listed. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. – Fayenatic London 21:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Based on the outcome of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Enforcing ECR for article creators WP:CSD#G5 is no longer restricted to pages created by blocked or banned users but now also applies to pages created in violation of general sanctions (regardless of any attribute of the editor, to the faith in which they created the page, or even if they knew such sanctions existed, an action I continue to think is harmful to the project but alas the consensus was not with me) and so the category name needs to be updated and this unwieldy new title is the shortest one I can craft that is accurate. Splitting the category would be sensible but also contrary to the RfC outcome which explicitly rejected creating a new criterion, so I'm not proposing that. Speedy deletion categories are usually populated by templates, but as there are multiple of them and the templates do not need to be renamed I guess CfD is the appropriate venue, but feel free to move to this to TfD if I'm wrong on that. I'm not sure if I need to individually notify editors who participated in the RFC, but I will leave a message on the RFC talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 17:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion under G5 to be more concise while making the same point. Also fine with splitting, as there are several instances already of multiple categories for the same criterion (i.e Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as hoaxes is separate from Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as vandalism) * Pppery * it has begun... 18:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Splitinto Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users and Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created in violation of general sanctions. The categories do not correspond to the criteria one-to-one. G3, G8, F4 and F8 have multiple associated categories while G7/U1, A7/A9 and G12/F9 share a category. Splitting also helps to keep the names descriptive; I oppose Category:Candidates for speedy deletion under G5 because speedy deletion categories are named after the reason the page is being deleted, not the internal name we give that reason on Wikipedia. If renaming gets consensus, I prefer nom's proposal to the G5 name for this reason. Nickps (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)- Actually, since both of these categories already exist (I assumed the second one didn't when I wrote my !vote), there is nothing to do here unless nom wants to merge the two categories under the new name. Nickps (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm still not being clear here. I think a speedy close is in order since the CfD was seemingly opened due to an incorrect assumption, namely that all G5 candidates are placed in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users. This is not true, since {{db-gs}} uses Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created in violation of general sanctions. Again, if nom wants to merge the two categories, which I oppose but is at least a legitimate issue, then the CfD should stay open to discuss that. Nickps (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- That all the relevant templates put articles into the same category was the (it turns out incorrect) impression I got from the wording on the CSD page at the time which I didn't think to check. I'm OK with either a one or two category setup as long as the title of all the categories unambiguously match their scope. However, I oppose speedily closing this discussion as Pppery has made a good-faith suggestion for an alternative renaming. I weakly oppose that suggestion for the same reasons as you (Nickps) but I see no reason to close the discussion while it remains on the table. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to close this as withdrawn - my rename suggestion was just an attempt to produce a less clunky version of your rename under the same incorrect assumptions as you. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- That all the relevant templates put articles into the same category was the (it turns out incorrect) impression I got from the wording on the CSD page at the time which I didn't think to check. I'm OK with either a one or two category setup as long as the title of all the categories unambiguously match their scope. However, I oppose speedily closing this discussion as Pppery has made a good-faith suggestion for an alternative renaming. I weakly oppose that suggestion for the same reasons as you (Nickps) but I see no reason to close the discussion while it remains on the table. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm still not being clear here. I think a speedy close is in order since the CfD was seemingly opened due to an incorrect assumption, namely that all G5 candidates are placed in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users. This is not true, since {{db-gs}} uses Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created in violation of general sanctions. Again, if nom wants to merge the two categories, which I oppose but is at least a legitimate issue, then the CfD should stay open to discuss that. Nickps (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, since both of these categories already exist (I assumed the second one didn't when I wrote my !vote), there is nothing to do here unless nom wants to merge the two categories under the new name. Nickps (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Crater Lake[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Crater Lake to Category:Crater Lake (Oregon)
- Nominator's rationale: Ambiguity problem. This category is for one specific lake-slash-national-park in the United States whose name is Crater Lake, but I just had to clean it up for the misfiling of several generic crater lakes in Uganda. As always, the mere presence of a usage note on the category itself is not necessarily sufficient to control the problem, as people frequently file things in categories that sound right and then walk away without checking the category to see if they're doing it wrong -- so the category itself should be named as precisely as possible to quash any ambiguity. Bearcat (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, the current name is definitely too ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Films set in Velankanni[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Films set in Tamil Nadu. – Fayenatic London 21:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Films set in Velankanni to Category:Films set in Tamil Nadu
- Nominator's rationale: "Films set in [Place]" category for a small town, without enough films filed in it to need a dedicated category. As always, every town that exists does not automatically get one of these the moment a couple of films have been set there -- it would be fine if there were five or ten films to file here, but if there are less than five then the state level is sufficient. Bearcat (talk) 16:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, there isn't even a Category:Velankanni. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Velankanni is a town of only 10,000 people. Even the adjacent city of Nagapattinam, which is 10 times larger, does not have a dedicated category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Albert Henry Krehbiel[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a person, without the volume of spinoff content needed to justify an eponymous category. Other than the eponymous biography itself, the only other things filed here are an alternate version of his name that elides the middle "Henry", and the title of a book about him, both of which are just redirects to the eponymous biography rather than separate articles.
I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody can actually find evidence that there are enough other related articles that could be filed here, but we do not need a category just to hold three different ways of getting to the same place. Bearcat (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I created the article assuming there were articles for some of his works, but it seems not.GobsPint (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 16:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Television series about microbes[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: "[Form of media] about X" category with only one thing in it and little prospect of expansion since microbes are not a common subject of television series — and the television series here was a cartoon, so its being "about" microbes falls short of being a defining characteristic. As always, we do not automatically need an "about" category for every single possible thing that one television series has been "about" -- this would need to be common enough of a subject for television series to have at least five entries in it before it was justifiable. Bearcat (talk) 16:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, there isn't even a Category:Works about microbes. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:OVERCAT Gjs238 (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Luarsab Sharashidze[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a person, with no content in it besides the eponym himself. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the subject to know whether there are other things that could be filed here to populate it, so I'm not prepared to just speedy-delete it as a categorization error myself without discussion and am willing to withdraw this if enough other content can be found, but people do not automatically get categories at their own names just to hold their own main biographies. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Marcocapelle --Lenticel (talk) 00:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:C2F Gjs238 (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Digital-only stations on the AM band[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Digital-only radio stations. – Fayenatic London 22:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia does not categorize radio stations for the matter of whether they're on the AM or FM bands, so we don't need to intersect digital-only status with a criterion that we don't otherwise categorize for. Bearcat (talk) 15:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I don't see why we shouldn't categorize radio stations by band, however. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional chimney sweepers[edit]
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Category:Former Philippine Basketball League teams[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 00:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The Philippine Basketball League is defunct for several years now, so all of its teams are now its former teams. Upmerge to Category:Philippine Basketball League teams. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional female entertainers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional females by occupation. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional female entertainers to Category:Fictional females by occupation
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, possibly some subcategories will merit a dual merge to Category:Fictional entertainers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep I do not see how WP:NARROWCAT applies here, but I'm not too concerned. NLeeuw (talk) 16:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NARROWCAT is irrelevant here. Dimadick (talk) 17:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge WP:NARROWCAT does apply because there are only three subcategories, and this also fails WP:OCEGRS. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Dimadick: do you accept the latest participants' rationale? – Fayenatic London 22:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- The rationale makes no sense to me. Dimadick (talk) 13:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. I suppose I'll change my !vote to Weak keep as I don't feel too strongly about it. No big deal if the proposal is accepted. NLeeuw (talk) 14:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The rationale makes no sense to me. Dimadick (talk) 13:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tracker musicians[edit]
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Category:Rock, Rock, Rock![edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a lot of opportunity for growth here. The two songs articles can be merged to Category:Songs written for films. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure.
- I would suggest to take out “I’m Not a Juvenile Delinquent” and “You Can’t Catch Me,” then just leave that category as it is. However, I guess deletion might be a solution for Wikipedia I guess. So fair enough. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 21:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- On a second thought, I oppose this deletion because WP:SMALLCAT is not approved and these songs were written for the movie. Therefore, leave it as it is. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 08:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- In other words, keep. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep WP:SMALLCAT has been deprecated, so opportunity for future growth is no longer an accepted argument. The two songs were written for the movie, so they appear to be intrinsically related. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I think it's best for it to be deleted. It's Wikipedia, but I agree. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't see the need for an eponymous category for a film's music that only contains its soundtrack and two songs from it. They are already well-linked by other means, and there is no scheme for such categorization for similar films (no Category:Flashdance, no Category:The Woman in Red (1984 film), which each have articles for its soundtrack and multiple songs), only by the music of film franchises per Category:Film music by media franchise. Rock, Rock, Rock! isn't a franchise so even a move to Category:Rock, Rock, Rock! music doesn't make much sense (but that would be a better option than the current eponymous named one). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough.
- Best regards,
- Inajd Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 04:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! characters[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! since that category only includes these characters and the game itself. The characters are all still in that category, so there is nothing to merge here. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as creator. Admittedly entirely forgot about the parent category when creating the category, so I agree with the redundancy issue. Though I agree, I still would have appreciated it if we could have finished discussing this before nominating it for deletion. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I guess I probably should have gone a bit slower. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine, especially since this category is getting deleted either way. Apologies if I was a bit accusatory by accident there. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I guess I probably should have gone a bit slower. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per it being a mistaken creation according to category creator. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 14:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as creator. Admittedly entirely forgot about the parent category when creating the category, so I agree with the redundancy issue. Though I agree, I still would have appreciated it if we could have finished discussing this before nominating it for deletion. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge, agree with redundancy, but better keep the subcat in order to keep the content in the tree of Category:Indie game characters. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Not redundant, it falls within an established category tree and has a clear purpose. I should remind people that WP:SMALLCAT no longer applies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Small cat might not apply, but neither does saying that we should keep a category just because it's "established". Mason (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the practice of grouping characters by game is a well-established one. This falls under that scheme and there is no reason to remove it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that it's redundant to the already existing DDLC category. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 02:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's not redundant when it's a valid subcategory. Categories don't have to have things directly in them to count as a full category. Having a fully populated subcategory still counts. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that it's redundant to the already existing DDLC category. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 02:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the practice of grouping characters by game is a well-established one. This falls under that scheme and there is no reason to remove it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Small cat might not apply, but neither does saying that we should keep a category just because it's "established". Mason (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- NOTE: If we are going to keep this, I would support keeping both and oppose a merge. I think this category is redundant, but I think it makes sense to have the other category even if this one exists. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep as a valid (not category clutter) and not redundant subcategory of Category:Doki Doki Literature Club!. Just because two categories happen to contain the same articles that doesn't mean they are categorizing the same thing. For example, as Marcocapelle pointed out, the nominated category belongs in Category:Indie game characters but its parent does not. Deleting would mean we'd have to place the articles in Category:Indie game characters directly, which would not be a better way to organise that category. Nickps (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:British women Marxists[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. I don't see affirmative consensus to populate, but I also don't see consensus that this should not be populated. However, if a category is to exist, you don't need to get consensus to populate the category with pages that belong in it. Therefore, I see this result as implicitly endorsing the category being populated, and will ping Nederlandse Leeuw in case they wish to do so. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:British women Marxists to Category:Women Marxists
- Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse this category by nationality? Frankly, I have my doubts that the intersection of gender and Marxism is defining. Mason (talk) 00:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, also per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Populate with other women from Category:British Marxists. If you have my doubts that the intersection of gender and Marxism is defining, why do you propose to take nationality out of the equation? If anything, you should propose to upmerge to Category:British Marxists instead. Anyway, quick scan suggests the following members to diffuse from parent Category:British Marxists:
- Beatrix Campbell
- Claire Fox
- Kathleen Gough
- Kate Hudson (activist)
- Claudia Jones
- Mary Susan McIntosh
- Sylvia Pankhurst
- Muriel Seltman
- Dona Torr
- Sibling cats suggest:
- Frances Curran
- Tamara Deutscher
- Kat Fletcher
- Betty Hamilton
- Lesley Mahmood
- Charlotte Raven
- Chanie Rosenberg
- Hannah Sell
- Kate Hoey
- Gloria De Piero
- Wendy Henry
- Joan Collins (politician)
- Jeanne Hoban
- Verity Burgmann
- Naila Kabeer
- Oona King
- Yana Mintoff
- Sheila Rowbotham
- Frances de la Tour
- Vanessa Redgrave
- Dorothy Thompson (historian)
- Leila Berg
- Marian Ramelson
- More than enough to populate this category. I might add that a lot of subcategories in this tree do not feature a single woman. Women are underrepresented as part of biographies on British Marxists, and I don't think upmerging this category is going to help address that gender gap at all. NLeeuw (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- For info, the articles are already in Category:British Marxists so that category does not need to be mentioned as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not proposing to merge anything. I am proposing to Populate Category:British women Marxists with the articles I listed. NLeeuw (talk) 05:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- For info, the articles are already in Category:British Marxists so that category does not need to be mentioned as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, but Populate per NLeeuw. There are loads of people who fit into this category. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Malaya[edit]
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Category:History of Malaysia since Independence[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename per parent Category:Contemporary history by country that I just added. Else at least change "Independence" to "independence". Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Spelling change - what might seem contemporary in some contexts may not be understood clearly as to the specific starting point is actually contemporary or not JarrahTree 08:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:History of Malaysia (1957–present). That matches most other categories in Category:Contemporary history by country. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: we already have Category:History of Malaysia (1945–1963) so it is probably better to rename the nominated category to Category:History of Malaysia (1963–present). I do not have objections to this format. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a weirdly empty category (perhaps a wider look is needed at this whole tree), but 1963 is an easier date to start from given Category:History of Malaya would apply until that date. CMD (talk) 02:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: we already have Category:History of Malaysia (1945–1963) so it is probably better to rename the nominated category to Category:History of Malaysia (1963–present). I do not have objections to this format. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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- For info, I have added decades as subcategories so that this category is now somewhat better populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:18th-century Wallachian poets[edit]
- Propose merging Category:18th-century Wallachian poets to Category:18th-century Wallachian writers and Category:18th-century Romanian poets and Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets
- Propose merging Category:17th-century Wallachian poets to Category:17th-century Wallachian writers and Category:17th-century Romanian poets and Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets
- Nominator's rationale: 3x merge there are at most 6 people in this poet tree, without a real need to diffuse by century. I made a potential merge target category because Category:Wallachian poets didn't exist as a category.Mason (talk) 21:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm guessing I should create an indefinite number of articles for the Wallachian poets that are currently missing, because there being currently 6 articles is not enough (unlike the three articles in Category:Emperors of Thessalonica and the four articles in Category:Aqua (band) members, both of which are just right). I mean, what else are we to do with our time on wikipedia than to satisfy this type of requests? Dahn (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @DahnIt would be better if you started by making the main categories, not the intersections with centuries. All the categories you've listed are non-intersecting. A more apt analogy would be Category:20th-century Aqua (band) members and Category:21st-century Aqua (band) members. I've done my best to clean up the similar Wallachian categories, like the newly created Category:Military personnel of the Principality of Wallachia to house the 4 centuries of soldiers you made (e.g., Category:16th-century military personnel of the Principality of Wallachia). Mason (talk) 01:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is significantly less of a chore to create small intersectional and valid categories than huge category trees, which can be created at any ulterior time for reuniting the smaller categories and any articles that remain loose. I would rather create "18th-century Wallachian poets" instead of "Wallachian poets" (or rather "Category:Poets from the Principality of Wallachia" -- the two nomenclatures currently compete), if the latter option has me tagging all the articles on Wallachian poets, then sorting them by retagging the same articles with the respective narrower category! It reduces my workload and it is sheer common sense. Note how, in the "military personnel" tree, you had them all fitted nicely for you to just unify the categories; but of course you didn't realize that a lot of articles on Wallachian soldiers from other centuries (say: the 15th) are now not in the category you created, and of course you didn't go searching for such examples to include in the larger category you created (you also didn't realize that the category level you created should now include other trans-chronological articles, such as Category:Spatharii of Wallachia, all of whom were a sort of military personnel). You see: that would be the sort of work required for the part of the category tree that I hadn't bothered created, and the sort of workload you're now externalizing for others. (My contributions focus mainly on content creation, with all the intricate research this requires. I find category creation necessary, but boring -- implying that I should spend my time here on creating potentially immense categories, or hunting down articles to fill out the immense categories that others create, is a bit presumptuous. Just like other requests of that nature, for instance that I should fill out more redlinks to demonstrate to my colleagues here that a category is sufficiently valid -- that "18th-century Wallachian poets" is at least as valid a category as "Aqua members".) Dahn (talk) 02:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also: Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets is rather pointless. I had created Category:Moldavian and Wallachian chroniclers back when we didn't have a category tree for both former countries, and to address the fact that chroniclers, a sort of occupation that is entirely in the past (for a genre that ended in the early 19th-century), had a trans-border shared tradition of history-writing (and a limited number of articles to fit in there). While this shared tradition can also be argued for poets: if we already have poets in the Wallachian category, what is the exact point of creating a category (other than the already existing larger Romanian one) for "Wallachian and Moldavian poets"? Dahn (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I modeled the parent of Category:Moldavian and Wallachian chroniclers, because this is not my area of expertise. I'm fine with an alternative target, and would have much preferred that a parent category existed instead of having to make an educated guess. Mason (talk) 22:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- And I have to say I do not understand the logic whereby we "only" have a category for "foo fooians" if it is demonstrated that there are "enough" (a never-defined "enough") articles to populate it. Sure it would be absurd to have a category for just two articles (though, again, three is apparently enough in other cases). But a category exists not just to neatly group the articles in a shelf; it exists to facilitate navigation, to quickly allow our readers, through this unique instrument offered by our platform, to see all the connections between a set of articles. The evidently absurd example you provide with Category:20th-century Aqua (band) members (I do understand the rhetorical point, but still) shows that you simply do not regard this as an important feature, that you do not conceive of any practical situation in which a reader may need a quick navigational tool for seeing what and how many were the Wallachian poets in the 18th century (including all the utterly mediocre ones that would not be mentioned in a properly developed Literature of Romania), and that you do not see it fit to ask why me as an editor would conceive of a tool to assist such a reader. I find that a bit arresting. Dahn (talk) 02:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @DahnPlease just make all the proper parent categories. It's not an unreasonable ask. Mason (talk) 22:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, but to a new Category:Poets from the Principality of Wallachia (similar to Category:Writers from the Principality of Wallachia), as well as to Category:18th-century Wallachian writers or Category:17th-century Wallachian writers respectively. The split in centuries is currently not helpful for navigation. No objection to split again after there are a lot more articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why is it not helpful? Please elaborate on that point. Dahn (talk) 06:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- E.g. from Mihai Iștvanovici there is only one other similar article that you can directly go to, which is not very informative. By merging you can directly go to 5 other similar articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- 44 subcategories to Category:18th-century poets by nationality, yet just one gets singled out. Interesting. Also note that of those 44, fully 10 have less than 4 articles included. Biruitorul Talk 07:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the other 10 may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Biruitorul You assume that I stumbled up this category by looking at Category:18th-century poets by nationality. Mason (talk) 22:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the other 10 may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support 6 is not a lot for a category, but although there is no consensus on the mininum amount of items per category at any given time, WP:MFN (the work-in-progress guideline) recommends to merge for now if a category has fewer than 5 items. I don't feel too strongly about the need to merge these categories, but it's fine with me to do so. NLeeuw (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge target? (see Marcocapelle's alt proposal)
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- Oppose century categories are useful and standard for poets, and the rationale invoked is vague — there is no clear consensus about how small is too small. — Biruitorul Talk 18:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; the idea for this category clearly came from a good faith place but I don't see how helpful it is. Losing a pregnancy is a lot more common than people think, and the further back you go in history the more common it was. Its not a defining characteristic of any of these women even though it was likely a defining moment (or moments) in their lives. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. and agree with the assessment that its creation was in good faith. There might be a handful, like Catherine of Aragon, where you could make a case that it was defining, but it's a stretch. (And if anything henry the 8th's experience with pregnancy loss would probably be more defining...) Mason (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. An earlier discussion closed as no consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose I do not see any arguments being advanced why the earlier discussion (less than a year ago) should be disregarded, or how all the opposing arguments presented then should be ignored, or why those arguments have somehow been undermined or overturned. If you're just here to redo a discussion without bringing new policy and guideline-based reasons to do so, that is not helpful for the process. NLeeuw (talk) 18:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, I wasn't aware of the previous discussion until Marco added a link to this. But I can give you a more detailed reasoning. You can say this category can also come under WP:TRIVIALCAT since, as painful it is, it is trivial that a famous woman lost a pregnancy. It may even be WP:SUBJECTIVECAT since even an abortion can be considered pregnancy loss to some and not to others and also, to some people, giving birth to a child who died soon after birth can be too.
- Also worth noting that we now know that women aren't the only ones who can get pregnant. Non-binary people can too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, let's have a look.
- What does WP:TRIVIALCAT say? In general, if something could be easily left out of a biography, it is likely that it is a trivial characteristic. I think that depends. I know women to whom a miscarriage was traumatising and life-changing, but I also know women to whom a miscarriage was kind of okay since the pregnancy was unplanned anyway. Furthermore, I know women who consciously opted to abort their pregnancy when the circumstances were not right to complete the pregnancy, and to some of them, it wasn't a big deal, while to others it was (even though they didn't regret it, as it was the best choice in the situation). Nevertheless, pretty much all these women only disclosed their experiences to me in a private setting, with a clear understanding that I should keep it a secret from others; they wish to control which people are allowed to know it, as they consider it a private and sensitive matter, even if in the end it wasn't a big deal to some of them. I think this wish should be respected.
- For our purposes here, I think this would call for a case-by-case assessment of what impact the person in question says in WP:RS that the pregnancy loss has had on their life. We shouldn't be labelling people to whom it wasn't that important, as this could needlessly stigmatise them. Especially in WP:BLPs, as pointed out in the previous discussion, we should be very careful not to categorise such people unless they come forward with their stories and explain it was very important in their lives.
- I agree with you that the current catdesc is vague about whether it includes intentional abortions. The linked article pregnancy loss suggests it includes both intentional and unintentional cases. If that is the objection, though, the logical solution would be a split of the category rather than a deletion, wouldn't you agree?
- I agree that non-binary people can get pregnant and experience pregnancy loss as well. If that is the objection, though, the logical solution would be a renaming of the category rather than a deletion, wouldn't you agree?
- NLeeuw (talk) 09:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, respectfully I wouldn't agree with any split or rename because I also think this category is WP:NONDEF in addition to being trivial and subjective. If its worth adding, the information about pregnancy loss should be added - which is to say written into - to the article of the person. Indeed, in most cases it matters, it is gone into detail. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. That seems to suggest you no longer support deletion, does it? NLeeuw (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, where did I suggest I no longer support deletion? I very much do. I merely stated that if a person has lost a pregnancy and it is important to their lives, that information should be incorportated into their article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah sorry, then I misunderstood what you said. I guess I can understand that argument. I'll wait to see what others have to say for now. Thanks for your clarifications so far. NLeeuw (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, no worries! Thanks for hearing me out as well! :) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah sorry, then I misunderstood what you said. I guess I can understand that argument. I'll wait to see what others have to say for now. Thanks for your clarifications so far. NLeeuw (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, where did I suggest I no longer support deletion? I very much do. I merely stated that if a person has lost a pregnancy and it is important to their lives, that information should be incorportated into their article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. That seems to suggest you no longer support deletion, does it? NLeeuw (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, respectfully I wouldn't agree with any split or rename because I also think this category is WP:NONDEF in addition to being trivial and subjective. If its worth adding, the information about pregnancy loss should be added - which is to say written into - to the article of the person. Indeed, in most cases it matters, it is gone into detail. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, let's have a look.
- Delete per nom, the above, and last time. Simply not defining, plus except for a few high profile women, we usually just don't know about this aspect of lives. To judge by the category as it is, this virtually only seems to happen to European royalty and American actresses. Johnbod (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The current contents might, of course, not be representative of humanity at all. But it is a good question who should and shouldn't be in here, if we are to have this category. NLeeuw (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The question is, and would be, who we have RS information for. That will only be a very small minority of our population of 397,000 women with biographies, reinforcing how non-defining it is. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I follow why a very small number of biographies falling into the category reinforces the argument that it is non-defining? That's true for many non-controversial categories. Chocmilk03 (talk) 04:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because this is extremely common, and if it was defining we would have far more entries, even given the frequent lack of information. Johnbod (talk) 12:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I follow why a very small number of biographies falling into the category reinforces the argument that it is non-defining? That's true for many non-controversial categories. Chocmilk03 (talk) 04:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The question is, and would be, who we have RS information for. That will only be a very small minority of our population of 397,000 women with biographies, reinforcing how non-defining it is. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The current contents might, of course, not be representative of humanity at all. But it is a good question who should and shouldn't be in here, if we are to have this category. NLeeuw (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This isn't an easy question but having read through the extensive earlier discussion, I am persuaded that this category should be kept. It can be a WP:DEFINING event for some people based on reliable sources; if it isn't, then the category shouldn't be applied to the article (also bearing in mind WP:SENSITIVE). It seems to me correctly applied in the cases of (for example) Chrissy Teigen, Kathryn van Beek and Anne Boleyn. Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Chocmilk03, WP:DEFINING means characteristics that person is notable for. I think you would agree that, while these women may have lost a pregnancy, they aren't defined by them nor are their lives characterised by losing pregnancies. The only serious exception is royalty for obvious reasons.
- Again, if its defining to their lives in any way, it should be added to the person's article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: In my view, the characteristic of having lost a pregnancy can contribute to notability, and is a defining event for some people. In the same way that we have categories for year of birth, where people attended high school, Category:People with Parkinson's disease, Category:American amputees, Category:People with polydactyly, etc, categories don't have to be the main thing that the person is notable for or the defining aspect of their life in order to be defining and useful for navigational purposes. Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Chocmilk03, well you can make that argument but, at the same time, not everything is categorized. Not every medical condition is categorized, not every disability. Its why "People with infertility issues" (or something similar) is not categorized and why I feel this category should not be either. I've given my reasons for why above, not least of which is that losing pregnancy is something very common and, going back further, was a lot more common. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would also not go with the old Cfd's arguments. It really turned into a huge row which was not about debating whether the category was WP:OVERCAT or not (I think it is in many ways) but rather about people saying "what about this" and so on. I hope this Cfd will be more on actual policy than the previous one. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also please don't argue WP:OTHERCATSEXIST. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: My views are based on my own reading of the policies including WP:CATDEF, WP:TRIVIALCAT, WP:COPDEF etc, not the previous CFD arguments. In my view, this category does meet the criteria of defining for some people (even though it is unlikely to be the sole reason for notability). "A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic"; pregnancy loss meets this criteria for some people.
- I wasn't arguing that "other stuff exists"; those categories were simply examples to illustrate my point, in the same way you've used "People with infertility issues" as an example of why you feel this category should not exist.
- I've read your arguments (and those of others above) and respectfully disagree, hence my vote for 'keep'. I don't seek to persuade you of the correctness of my views, and understand you take a different view. Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I find Chocmilk03's arguments somewhat persuasive, but not yet compelling. Let's see what others have to say. NLeeuw (talk) 15:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also please don't argue WP:OTHERCATSEXIST. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: In my view, the characteristic of having lost a pregnancy can contribute to notability, and is a defining event for some people. In the same way that we have categories for year of birth, where people attended high school, Category:People with Parkinson's disease, Category:American amputees, Category:People with polydactyly, etc, categories don't have to be the main thing that the person is notable for or the defining aspect of their life in order to be defining and useful for navigational purposes. Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please see previous discussion, as Marcocapelle linked above.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment. I've read through the arguments in the previous discussion and what else has been written here. Fundamentally, something is defining if it's often (or could reasonably be) mentioned in the lead. For 99% of these pages, its not defining. I still think that the category should be deleted as it isn't defining. For the very few who it could be defining, they can be added to a list. At the very very very least, this category needs to be purged. Mason (talk) 22:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for that clarification. Note to closer: Mason already !voted Support per nom above, so the word deleted in this comment shouldn't be counted. NLeeuw (talk) 13:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I've read through the arguments in the previous discussion and what else has been written here. Fundamentally, something is defining if it's often (or could reasonably be) mentioned in the lead. For 99% of these pages, its not defining. I still think that the category should be deleted as it isn't defining. For the very few who it could be defining, they can be added to a list. At the very very very least, this category needs to be purged. Mason (talk) 22:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hinglaj Mata[edit]
Propose merging Category:Hinglaj Mata to Category:Spiritual and religious images
- Nominator's rationale:
merge, the category only contains a single image.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Merge The Hinglaj Mata Temple doesn't have any scope for a topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Added relevant article pages to the category-the main temple and another a fort. Krayon95 (talk) 06:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why is Hinglajgarh related to Hinglaj Mata Temple? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- From the article itself, the fort is either named or developed after a temple of the said goddess. Krayon95 (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why is Hinglajgarh related to Hinglaj Mata Temple? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- In the new situation, delete, the category contains two different sorts of buildings in entirely different places. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both places are temples of the same deity. Category could be useful for further temple articles of the deity. Krayon95 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- We already established that one article is about a fort. No objection to recreate the category when a handful of articles about Hinglay Mata temples have been written, but for the time being we even lack a stand alone Hinglaj Mata article. Also note that Hinglaj Mata Temple is already in Category:Durga temples which is properly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both places are temples of the same deity. Category could be useful for further temple articles of the deity. Krayon95 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 10:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete per Marcocapelle. Is this an acceptable outcome for you, LaundryPizza03? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Connecticut (5 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Connecticut
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Delaware (1 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Delaware
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Florida (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Florida
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Georgia (U.S. state) (8 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Georgia (U.S. state)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Indiana (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Indiana
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Kentucky (8 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Kentucky
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Maine (4 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Maine
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Maryland (1 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Maryland
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Massachusetts (14 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Massachusetts
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in New Jersey (1 C, 17 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of New Jersey
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in New York (state) (1 C, 31 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of New York (state)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in North Carolina (17 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of North Carolina
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Ohio (6 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Ohio
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Pennsylvania (13 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Pennsylvania
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Rhode Island (4 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Rhode Island
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in South Carolina (36 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of South Carolina
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Vermont (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Vermont
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Virginia (1 C, 6 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Virginia
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in West Virginia (2 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of West Virginia
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. NLeeuw (talk) 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: The state in which the battle took place is already mentioned in List of American Revolutionary War battles. If mentioning the location is even useful or necessary, this list is far better than any category scheme can do. NLeeuw (talk) 19:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- do not merge this is simply another step in the path of destroying useful category information at the US state level. US state boundaries are in no way akin to the boundary problems found in some European countries, which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization of the Battles of the War of 1812. State boundaries have not generally changed since their formation, unlike the shifting boundaries of European geographic entities. Hmains (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would respectfully request that you WP:assume good faith, and base your opposition to the proposal on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, rather than a personal POV of how things supposedly were in the past in North America compared to Europe so that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN conveniently does not apply to categories you created. I am simply applying our polices and guidelines, confirmed by consensus established in precedents, and I would urge you to do the same. Have a good day. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing about 'the past' involving the boundaries of the federal states of the United States. Unlike Europe of the past, the boundaries of these states are generally the same as when they were created over of last 200+ years. That means a battle that took place in a populated place of state x is still correctly stated as having been a battle in state x. I am not doing things in WP for my own convenience, whatever that may be. I am stating the facts. You have requested deletion of all these categories so I assume that is your intent--this does not involve 'faith' of any kind. Thanks Hmains (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and I did not mean to offend in any way if that is what happened. I am just here to edit. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry, no offence taken. I only took issue with the passage ...which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization.... This way of saying things implies that I am deliberately doing something wrong, and that what I am doing is harmful. The first bit is conduct that users should avoid: WP:Assume good faith means that we always assume that fellow editors are trying to do the right thing, even if they make mistakes. (And I do make plenty of mistakes, and I'll happily be corrected if you can point out what I should have done instead). The last bit may be your opinion, but it is rather strongly worded; it's better not to use words such as "destruction" when it comes to reorganising category trees in a way you don't like. Hopefully that clears things up?
- My intention is to upmerge rather than outright delete these categories. Even though deletion is the result, the contents of the former categories will be preserved in their parent categories, and the logbooks will note which categories were merged into which. E.g. battles in New York state will still be in Category:Military history of New York (state), where readers and editors alike can still find them. This upmerging is based on WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN, a guideline which has existed since about 2007. If you think there is something wrong with that guideline, you are free to raise the issue at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Military history. Making arguments here at CFD for why this guideline should not apply to the United States, however, is not very helpful.
- Besides, practically speaking, the main article List of American Revolutionary War battles already mentions the state in which each battle took place. This is one single page for all you want readers to know about the location of these battles, right? NLeeuw (talk) 10:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and I did not mean to offend in any way if that is what happened. I am just here to edit. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing about 'the past' involving the boundaries of the federal states of the United States. Unlike Europe of the past, the boundaries of these states are generally the same as when they were created over of last 200+ years. That means a battle that took place in a populated place of state x is still correctly stated as having been a battle in state x. I am not doing things in WP for my own convenience, whatever that may be. I am stating the facts. You have requested deletion of all these categories so I assume that is your intent--this does not involve 'faith' of any kind. Thanks Hmains (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would respectfully request that you WP:assume good faith, and base your opposition to the proposal on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, rather than a personal POV of how things supposedly were in the past in North America compared to Europe so that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN conveniently does not apply to categories you created. I am simply applying our polices and guidelines, confirmed by consensus established in precedents, and I would urge you to do the same. Have a good day. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- do not merge this is simply another step in the path of destroying useful category information at the US state level. US state boundaries are in no way akin to the boundary problems found in some European countries, which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization of the Battles of the War of 1812. State boundaries have not generally changed since their formation, unlike the shifting boundaries of European geographic entities. Hmains (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, per guideline. In the nomination the articles are kept at a state level, there is no destroyal taking place. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- destruction*. Otherwise I agree. ;) NLeeuw (talk) 10:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the larger categories and merge the ones with very few members per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:DIFFUSE. Merging the larger categories would make the category tree less useful for readers. The nom may prefer the list to the categories, but lists and categories can coexist without conflict. - Eureka Lott 14:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I should explain that I have only noted how many P and C there are in each of them as a secondary argument, but according to WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN (the primary argument), it doesn't matter what size the category is, as all such "battles in X" categories are considered inappropriate. (Even if we were to keep the "large" ones, which categories would you consider "large" and which ones "small"?)
- My remark that the list already mentions the locations anyway is intended to address the concern of Hmains, the creator of these categories, that valuable information or overview might be lost if the proposal receives approval, because the list covers it. Personally, I'm not sure if it is necessary to mention the locations in any list or category, but keeping them in the list while upmering the categories seems an acceptable compromise to me.
- I hope this may help to understand the rationale. NLeeuw (talk) 17:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- The problem that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN attempts to address—issues arising when modern and historical names differ—is largely irrelevant here. The boundaries of South Carolina, for instance, are the same now as they were during this conflict. You're trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. - Eureka Lott 14:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lots of states, provinces and especially territories didn't have their modern boundaries yet. More importantly, WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN doesn't say anywhere that it doesn't apply in some places, but not in others. It's a universal rule, it should be applied everywhere. If someone thinks there should be exceptions to the rule, they're free to start the process of seeking to amend it. But until it is amended, we should apply the guideline as it is, and not engage in special pleading.
- Given the many recent precedents in both the category space and the article space, there is a running consensus to phase out "battles in Fooland" categories and articles. NLeeuw (talk) 17:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:MILMOS is a style manual. Despite your protestations, it doesn't automatically override our categorization guidelines. You're veering into WP:IDONTLIKEIT territory with these assertions. - Eureka Lott 23:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- The problem that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN attempts to address—issues arising when modern and historical names differ—is largely irrelevant here. The boundaries of South Carolina, for instance, are the same now as they were during this conflict. You're trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. - Eureka Lott 14:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 10:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)- @EurekaLott: South Carolina's western boundary went all the way to the Mississippi River during this period though; see State cessions. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia and Maine did not exist as defined areas during this war let alone separate colonies which is exactly the problem that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN is trying to avoid. I don't think placing these in the contemporary colony would make sense since the undefined western boundaries were still Native American controlled, regardless of what European maps claimed. And good luck sorting out the as-of-then unresolved competing claims on Vermont! - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. The location of the battles is not disputed and some of these categories are quite large.--User:Namiba 21:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- cmt The proponent of this change also used the Style Manual to override the Category guideline here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 22 for the Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada and here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6 for the Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. And in so doing, destroyed the category navigation structure for the battles of the War of 1812. I suppose not as many category editors noticed these as have noticed this proposed change. Hmains (talk) 18:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Substitution tracking templates[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unclear if this is used anymore by any template as it isn't found in an "insource" search. If still used the category description should be updated with where this is used from. Gonnym (talk) 10:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Unused, as confirmed by both search and WhatLinksHere. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Baseball players from Ames, Iowa[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 4#Category:Baseball players from Ames, Iowa
Category:Proto-Mongols[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Mongol peoples. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Proto-Mongols to Category:Mongol peoples
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the category only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. That is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mongol states[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 4#Category:Mongol states
Category:DVD interactive technology[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 1#Category:DVD interactive technology
Category:Historic buildings and structures in the United States[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete, rename, and merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in the United States
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic bank buildings in the United States
- Propose Renaming Category:Historic department store buildings in the United States to Category:Department store buildings in the United States (over redirect)
- Propose Merging Category:Historic gas stations in the United States to Category:Gas stations in the United States
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in New York (state)
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic hotels in the United States
- Propose Merging Category:Historic warehouses in the United States to Category:Warehouses in the United States
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- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:SUBJECTIVECAT)
- We have plenty of objective categories for historic buildings like Category:National Register of Historic Places, Category:Historic Hotels of America, and Category:Oakland Designated Landmarks. This category is different because, in my subjective opinion, the Citigroup Center is not historic but, in the subjective opinion of another editor, it is. That's really all it takes to add an article to this tree! - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Notes: Not many full merges are necessary because I went through all the individual articles to make sure none of them would be orphaned; however, a number of subcategories would need to be selectively reparented to stay in their category tree. If this nomination passes I'll have a follow up one for the sibling categories which have different heritage register situations. An earlier nomination in 2018 ended in "no consensus" with the following participants: @Marcocapelle, SportingFlyer, Thincat, Black Falcon, and Good Olfactory:. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, subjective qualification for a building if it is not listed on a heritage register. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice 2[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Kingdom of Naples (2 P) to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice and Category:Ambassadors to the Kingdom of Naples
- Propose upmerging Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth (2 P) to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice and Category:Ambassadors to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
- Propose upmerging Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Mamluk Sultanate (2 P) to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice and Category:Ambassadors to the Mamluk Sultanate
- Propose upmerging Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Byzantine Empire (4 P) to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice and Category:Ambassadors to the Byzantine Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Kingdom of Sardinia. WP:MFN. There are many, many underpopulated (1 to 4 P) ambassador cats like this. Recommend future follow-ups for Category:Ambassadors of Aragon, Category:Ambassadors of North Yemen, Category:Ambassadors of the Duchy of Milan, amongst others. NLeeuw (talk) 23:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, WP:NARROWCAT, and WP:MFN. The current cats are too granular to aid navigation, at least with the current article count. - RevelationDirect (talk) 05:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Mason (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 22[edit]
Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 2#Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention
Category:All WikiProject Color pages[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. I realize my mistake now, and am going to edit the category's header to remove a misused template. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: No other WikiProject has a comprehensive list of members. It is also tagged as NA-Class, which does not match the intended purpose. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- This category feeds the user:HotArticlesBot for updating Wikipedia:WikiProject Color/Hot articles. Curran919 (talk) 09:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: There are literally hundreds of such categories, including Category: All WikiProject Medicine articles, Category: WikiProject Geology articles, Category: WikiProject Biology articles, Category: WikiProject Agriculture articles, etc. They are created by the WikiProject templates. And NA class is for "A page that does not fit into any other category. Used as a 'catch-all' by all WikiProjects." That seems to be a good place to put something like a tracking category used by software (rather than a category intended for human browsing). Nosferattus (talk) 14:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Television series based on novels[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Television series based on novels to Category:Television shows based on novels
- Propose merging Category:Television series based on American novels to Category:Television shows based on American novels
- Propose merging Category:Television series based on Spanish novels to Category:Television shows based on Spanish novels
- Nominator's rationale: Categories without a clear point of distinction from their parents. In theory, a distinction could be drawn between television series and television films, but the parent category isn't actually doing that: there's no Category:Television films based on novels at all, and instead virtually everything in Category:Television shows based on novels or its "Television shows based on [Country] novels" subcategories is a series (sometimes even with this and one or more of those both sitting alongside each other), so in actual practice this undergrown sapling is just duplicating the parent tree unnecessarily. And even populating it more fully would just entail moving virtually everything out of the parents anyway, so they'd still just be fundamentally redundant to each other.
I'm willing to withdraw this if there's any kind of editorial will to start creating and populating "Television films based on novels" categories to sister this, but as things currently stand this isn't offering a clear differentiation from its parent. Bearcat (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree in principle, but after this merge a clean-up operation will be needed because many articles are already in the tree of Category:Television shows based on novels by country other than American or Spanish. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:B-Class vital articles in Games[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 13:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:B-Class vital articles in Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:B-Class vital articles in Sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:C-Class vital articles in Economics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:C-Class vital articles in Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Unassessed vital articles in Society and social sciences (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia level-4 vital articles in Sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia level-5 vital articles in Economics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia level-5 vital articles in Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia vital articles in Economics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia vital articles in Games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia vital articles in Sports (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Categories for vital article classifications that do not exist, and some others of questionable usefulness. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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X in the Republic of Artsakh[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Bodies of water of the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bodies of water of Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Rivers of the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Rivers of Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Landmarks in the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Landmarks in Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Monuments and memorials in the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Monuments and memorials in Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Mountains of the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mountains of Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Mountain ranges of the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mountain ranges of Azerbaijan
- Nominator's rationale: Country no longer exists, so there is no justification to keeping these around. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Wikipedia stores historical information as well. When the country existed, it had various things. - Altenmann >talk 21:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, we only keep content about former countries insofar they are directly or indirectly related to history (an example of an indirect relationship is a people subcategory). We do not have e.g. Category:Mountains of the Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places in the Republic of Artsakh[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Cities and towns in the Republic of Artsakh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Askeran Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Hadrut Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Kashatagh Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Martakert Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Martuni Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Shahumyan Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Shushi Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The Republic of Artsakh no longer exists, and all of these are likely in a subcategory of Category:Populated places in Azerbaijan. There is no clear consensus on what happens if a country ceases to exist — the only other times this happened during Wikipedia's existence was the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 2003, and Serbia and Montenegro in 2006. The most recent precedent I could find was Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_December_13#Architecture_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro, but there are older precedents such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/User/Archive/February_2007#Category:Wikipedians_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_7#Category:Indoor_arenas_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro which happened shortly after Serbia and Montenegro ceased to exist. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Wikipedia stores historical information as well. When the country existed, it had various things. - Altenmann >talk 21:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Most of these objects still exist — by that logic, we should have Category:Populated places in Yugoslavia. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- And I see nothing wrong with such a useful category. - Altenmann >talk 00:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, we only keep content about former countries insofar they are directly or indirectly related to history. We do have a Category:Roman towns and cities because of its significance for archaeology, but that is not applicable here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, do you have a merge target in mind? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cities and towns in the Republic of Artsakh should be merged to Category:Cities and towns in Azerbaijan. I think otherwise the articles are already in appropriate Azerbaijani categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Artsakh is history, and Artsakh content should be in history categories, not geography categories. If we categorize every place on Earth by every former administrative division they were in at one point, there will be no end to that. It's perfectly fine to have articles about the defunct provinces and other subdivisions of Artsakh though. Place Clichy (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Mellk (talk) 09:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Submerged settlements in X[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 14:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Submerged settlements in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Submerged places in Canada
- Propose renaming Category:Submerged settlements in Ukraine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Submerged places in Ukraine
- Propose renaming Category:Submerged settlements in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Submerged places in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Settlement is not standard for categories, and there is no reason to limit the categories to settlements. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Settlements demolished to make room for airports[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Populated places demolished to make room for airports. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category name is not standardized, but because there is no parallel I am not sure if it should exist. Should we have a Category:Populated places forcibly depopulated by eminent domain for the non-ghost towns on the list? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, "populated places" is used throughout. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Polish social activists of the Prussian partition[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Activists from the Grand Duchy of Posen. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category should either be merged or renamed to make it clearer how this is defining. Mason (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Polish activists in the Kingdom of Prussia for more clarity. "Polish" is meant as an ethnicity here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: thoughts on this rename target? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't love the rename, but it is an improvement over what's here at the moment. Mason (talk) 01:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: thoughts on this rename target? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment This question is part of a wider issue concerning the categorisation of "Polish people" during the Partition period from 1795 to 1918. Last year I tried to address it, but no consensus emerged: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland/Archive 19#Categorisation of Category:Polish people of the partition period.
- In short: we'll need to choose whether we mean "Polish" as an ethnicity (as Marcocapelle suggested), or as a nationality (as Mason is indirectly suggesting, since Category:Polish activists is in the Category:Activists by nationality tree). Ethnicity is always a difficult one to establish and results in lots of sourcing problems, and it means we can't put these people in the Category:Polish people tree (because it is part of the Category:People by nationality tree). So nationality seems the best approach. For our purposes here, the Prussian partition is best understood as the Grand Duchy of Posen, though it is a little more complicated than that (I'll get back to that).
- But how do we grant a Polish "nationality" in a time when they did not have a state? My proposal was to recognise certain historic non-sovereign entities as "Polish":
- Congress Poland > Category:People from Congress Poland. This is already in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree.
- Duchy of Warsaw > Category:People from the Duchy of Warsaw. This is already in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree.
- Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria > Category:People from the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria. This is not yet in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree, perhaps also because it might also / better fit in the nationality-based Category:Ukrainian people tree. (E.g. List of people from Galicia (Eastern Europe): modern period is in Category:Lists of Ukrainian people). Neither Poland nor Ukraine can really claim the KGL exclusively for themselves as a predecessor.
- Grand Duchy of Posen > Category:People from the Grand Duchy of Posen. This is indirectly in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree, namely through Category:People from Greater Poland > Category:People by region in Poland > Category:Polish people by location > Category:Polish people (by nationality). But technically there shouldn't be a link between Category:People by region in Poland and Category:Polish people by location, because the former is about people by place of residence or origin (birth) regardless of nationality, while the latter is about nationality + residence.
- Perhaps others? Prior to 1815 and after 1848, there was no Grand Duchy of Posen which at least nominally granted autonomy to the mostly-Polish population. But from 1792 to 1807, the four Prussian provinces New East Prussia, South Prussia, West Prussia and Netze District had no autonomy at all, and the post-1848 Province of Posen didn't either. It may be too much of a stretch to grand all inhabitants of these Prussian provinces (which we might understand as the Prussian partition) a "Polish nationality" just so that we can put them in the Category:Polish people (by nationality) tree.
- Until we resolve that question, it's probably difficult to do anything with these Polish Partition categories. We do not want to erase Polish history, but it's really challenging to categorise it either. NLeeuw (talk) 07:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be ok with Category:Activists from the Grand Duchy of Posen as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- That seems a good idea! Most of them were even born or died in the city of Posen / Poznan itself. Only the first one, Florian Ceynowa the Kashubian, seems to have spent his whole life in Eastern Pomerania, not Posen / Greater Poland. NLeeuw (talk) 21:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Jewish Palestine Liberation Organization members[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OCEGRS and possibly WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Defining characteristic WP:COPDEF, not some random members of the PLO who happen to be Jewish. No, their significance is in being Jewish members of the PLO. --Yabroq (talk) 21:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: this person is the creator of this category. Either way, one article is not enough to justify keeping a category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles can be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete single-article category, failing WP:NARROWCAT. The sole article is already in all of the parents, or their other subcategories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Drake & Josh video games[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Drake & Josh and Category:Nickelodeon video games and Category:Video games set in San Diego and and Category:Video games set in the 2000s. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 13:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Drake & Josh video games to Category:Drake & Josh
- Nominator's rationale: Category only consists of two articles. There were no other Drake and Josh games produced. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Oinkers42: shouldn't it also be merged to other parent categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, of course. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @(Oinkers42) and Marcocapelle: for clarity, are you supporting a quadruple merge to Category:Drake & Josh, Category:Nickelodeon video games, Category:Video games set in San Diego, and Category:Video games set in the 2000s? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, of course. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- My answer to User:HouseBlaster's question is yes. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Roman generals[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Roman generals to Category:Generals by former country
- Propose renaming Category:Roman generals by century to Category:Generals by century
- Nominator's rationale: Uphelpful bundling of Roman people. This category contains Ancient Romans and Byzantine people. Mason (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/rename, this is redundant as we already have Category:Ancient Roman generals by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Byzantine people are Romans, just not ancient ones.★Trekker (talk) 08:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Byzantine Empire is generally considered to be an empire in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StarTrekker, how is your opposition relevant to the nomination? We don't have any other categories that isolate Byzantine/Ancient Romans like this. There was a cfd (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_27#Category:Romans_who_received_the_grass_crown) that renamed Roman categories to Ancient Roman categories already to remove this kind of ambiguity. Mason (talk) 00:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should have. It's not accurate to consider it a separate empire, historical revisionism.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, but that's not really responsive to nom. It's not helpful to have a Category:Roman generals by century when there's not even a regular generals by century category.Mason (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should have. It's not accurate to consider it a separate empire, historical revisionism.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Byzantine Empire is generally considered to be an empire in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Defer. I think it's helpful to first await the outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#Category:Imperial Roman admirals (including a proposal to merge Category:Imperial Roman generals to Category:Ancient Roman generals). Until we agree that it's best to have a clean split between "Ancient Roman" on the one hand and "Byzantine" on the other, without overlapping "Roman" or "Imperial Roman" trees in between, I think we can't make a decision on whether to phase out the entire "Roman" tree. NLeeuw (talk) 17:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Byzantine people are Romans. Dimadick (talk) 17:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is a point of contention about which there will never be consensus. ;) NLeeuw (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge It doesn't matter if Byzantine people are Romans if there is no navigational benefit in having an intermediate layer that, by its very nature, completely overlaps with two subcategories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada to Category:Battles of the War of 1812
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Ontario to Category:Battles of the War of 1812 and Category:Military history of Ontario
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Quebec to Category:Battles of the War of 1812 and Category:Military history of Quebec
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. See also recent precedents, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany. NLeeuw (talk) 09:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- do not merge There is nothing stated in WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN that requires the deletion of geographic sub-categories within a 'battles of xx war' category. And doing so will harm the reader's navigation to desired articles, forcing them to mentally merge several requests together and open and read multiple articles together to obtain information such as 'what are the battles of the War of 1812 in Canada?' or 'what are the battles of the war of 1812 in Ontario?' WP information consists not only of article content but also the category structure. This is destroying content. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Destroyal of content is never the result of a category merge proposal. In this case the articles will stay in Category:Military history of Ontario and Category:Battles of the War of 1812. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I concur. Hmains (who created these categories) tried to use the same argument last time, and it was not accepted then either. NLeeuw (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Bengali–Assamese script[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Assamese scripts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bengali–Assamese script
- Propose renaming Category:Bengali script (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bengali–Assamese script
- Nominator's rationale: There is a single Bengali–Assamese script shared between the two languages, even though they use different alphabets. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong, there are multiple scripts for both languages (note the plural "scripts"), and the Bengali–Assamese script is one of these scripts used and shared by both languages (with minor differences), but there are other scripts (like Naoriya Phulo script). Look at the category content, they clearly cannot be merged as their listed scripts are not the same. They are not all the same single script. Only the Bengali-Assamese script (just named "Bengali script" in Unicode and also named "Eastern Nagari") is unified; the other scripts are distinct. As well within the "Bengali alphabet" and "Assamese alphabet" (which are relevant parts of the shared script specific to each language) are not the same (just like there are multiple Latin-base alphabets). verdy_p (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are only two articles about scripts in both categories, the rest has been added as a matter of loose association. Propose to move these two articles to the two parent categories and then delete the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Rashidun governors of Mosul (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Governors of Mosul
- Propose merging Category:Rashidun governors of Fars (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Governors of Fars
- Nominator's rationale: merge/delete for now, currently only 1-2 articles in each category, this is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cricket organizations[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Serves no purpose, as the only contents are a subcat that is in the same parent cat as the category being discussed. Gjs238 (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I think it is not Category:Cricket administration that should be a subcategory of Category:Cricket organizations, but rather three particular subcategories of Category:Cricket administration should be subcategories of Category:Cricket organizations. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I have boldly reorganized the category to illustrate my point. Feel free to revert and discuss. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, The category seems to have a history of folks not knowing what to make of it. The new categorization scheme is an improvement, but inconsistencies remain. For example, two subcategories are Cricket umpiring associations and Cricketers' associations. Yet over at Category:Cricket administration, the subcat Category:Cricket administration stubs is loaded with articles of "associations". If we address this by consolidating all the "associations" subcats and articles together in Category:Cricket administration, then Category:Cricket organizations ends up with only 1 subcat, which is also listed in Category:Cricket administration anyway. Gjs238 (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- That will require nominating Category:Cricket umpiring associations and Cricketers' associations for merger. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- The whole problem appears to have been caused by the absence of Category:Cricket governing bodies which I have now restored as a valid subcategory of Category:Sports governing bodies by sport. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jesuit musicians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non defining intersection between occupation and religion Mason (talk) 23:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, they wrote and sung (modern) Christian music, so it is not a trivial intersection. However, I could also imagine this category to become much broader (i.e. renamed) per the list in Contemporary Catholic liturgical music. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Jews and Judaism in Portland, Maine[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Jews and Judaism in Portland, Maine to Category:Jews and Judaism in Maine
- Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category. The people in this category should be moved to Category:Jews from Maine. That leaves one synagogue and a school. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split between Category:Jews from Maine (the biographies) on the one hand and both Category:Jews and Judaism in Maine
and Category:Religion in Portland, Maine(the other two articles) on the other hand, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)- As nominator, I support Marco's alt plan. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- This plan is not a good one, as both synagogue articles are already in Category:Religious buildings and structures in Portland, Maine.--User:Namiba 15:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, then I'll strike that as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- This plan is not a good one, as both synagogue articles are already in Category:Religious buildings and structures in Portland, Maine.--User:Namiba 15:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for the same reasons as we discussed in December 2023.--User:Namiba 21:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging those who participated in December's discussion User:Smasongarrison, User:Jahaza, User:LaundryPizza03, User:Place Clichy.--User:Namiba 15:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That previous discussion was a no consensus. Place Clichy (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. I don't think that a city-level Judaism category brings any value to articles about people, e.g. the likes of movie executive Hiram Abrams, BTW already in Businesspeople from Portland, Maine. Seen the volume of articles not about people (which are already in other Portland-related categories), Category:Jews and Judaism in Maine is altogether a better location. Place Clichy (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: I guess you also mean "split" rather than "merge", right? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, biographies belong in the child category for individual people — if anywhere at all. Place Clichy (talk) 08:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: I guess you also mean "split" rather than "merge", right? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why though? The name of the category clearly indicates that it should include individual people (Jews) as well as Jewish institutions. Unless there is a mass rename, that doesn't make sense. Jewish elected officials (for example) are obviously defined by their connection to the city.--User:Namiba 12:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Historical geography[edit]
- Option 1: rename Category:Historical geography to Category:Geographic history.
- Option 2: rename Category:Geographic history by country to Category:Historical geography by country.
- Added to option 2 on relisting:
- rename Category:Geographic history of Brazil to Category:Historical geography of Brazil (undoing cut-and-paste rename)
- rename Category:Geographic history of China to Category:Historical geography of China
- rename Category:Czech geographic history to Category:Historical geography of the Czech Republic
- rename Category:Geographic history of France to Category:Historical geography of France
- rename Category:Geographic history of Germany to Category:Historical geography of Germany
- merge Category:Geographic history of Iran to Category:Historical geography of Iran
- rename Category:Geographic history of Scotland to Category:Historical geography of Scotland
- rename Category:Geographic history of the United Kingdom to Category:Historical geography of the United Kingdom
- rename Category:Geographic history of the United States to Category:Historical geography of the United States
- merge Category:Geographic history of the United States by state to Category:Historical geography of the United States (unnecessary layer)
- rename Category:Geographic history of California to Category:Historical geography of California
- Added to option 2 on relisting:
- I can't imagine that these are fundamentally different concepts. I have tagged both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Option 2 Main article is Historical geography, while Geographic history redirects to History of geography. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cross-platform free software (BSD; Linux; macOS; Windows)[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to parents. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 14:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging to all parents:
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/trivial intersection. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Per nom, this sort of disambiguation does not follow Wikipedia policy in the slightest. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 21[edit]
Category:Major League Baseball Triple Crown winners[edit]
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Category:Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador alumni[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks the requisite sourcing and the main article for the category has been deleted. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:National Roads in South Africa[edit]
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Category:Crime action films[edit]
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Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: These battles concern a specific subgroup of Qarmatians, namely those of the Qarmatian 'republic' of Bahrayn under the al-Jannabi family. This was the main Qarmatian group, but by no means the only one, and at any rate it should be distinguished. Other "Qarmatian" battles, like the Battle of Hama (even though the Qarmatian label is debatable here), are not included. Constantine ✍ 07:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Minor question: why Bahrayn instead of Bahrain? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because that is the most common transliteration in the literature. It also does not refer to the modern state of Bahrain, but the whole region of Eastern Arabia (historical Bahrayn/Bahrain). Constantine ✍ 14:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nom just created parent Category:Qarmatian state of Bahrayn 4 minutes before proposing to rename this child category. But the grandparent is Category:Qarmatians, and the main article is Qarmatians. Google-Booksing "Qarmatian state of Bahrayn" yields only 5 results. "Bahrain" is evidently the WP:COMMONNAME, there is no apparent need for this renaming, nor for the redundant new layer Category:Qarmatian state of Bahrayn created by nom. I suggest reverting to the situation of 3 June 2024. NLeeuw (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nom has actually worked on this topic and may be suggesting this move because of this knowledge, not just because of a flight of fancy. Qarmatianism is a broader phenomenon than the Qarmatian state of Bahrayn, hence the two should be kept separate, with the Qarmatians remaining as the overarching parent category/article. There ideally should be a different, dedicated parent article for the state, like ru:Карматское государство, but one thing at a time. Constantine ✍ 07:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Are there "Battles involving the Qarmatians" that DON'T involve Bahrayn? Because if there aren't, I'm not sure this change is necessary. Liz Read! Talk! 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. Main article Qarmatians has an Infobox former country and an Infobox war faction, both of which provide exactly the same beginning and end dates of 899–1077.
- It also claims that it all started with Bahrain and ended with Bahrain (or Bahrayn if you will):
- Start: Eventually, from Qatar, he captured Bahrain's capital Hajr and al-Hasa in 899, which he made the capital of his state...
- End: According to the maritime historian Dionisius A. Agius, the Qarmatians finally disappeared in 1067, after they lost their fleet at Bahrain Island and were expelled from Hasa near the Arabian coast by the chief of Banu, Murra ibn Amir.
- 1067 may be a typo, as the rest of the article insists on 1077, referring to Overthrow of the Qarmatians, which is dated to 1058–1077.
- Finally, the example of Battle of Hama is so ambiguous as to what the "Qarmatians" have to do with it (which is discussed at length in the article itself, with good sources), that it cannot count as evidence for non-Bahraini "Qarmatians".
- In short, there seems to be no difference. NLeeuw (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- But the Battle of Hama is counted as a Qarmatian battle by primary sources, and will be found as such even in some modern literature. And no, the Qarmatians != Bahrayn, no matter what the article currently claims. Bahrayn was the only successful Qarmatian state, but Qarmatianism is broader than that, with adherents across the Middle East, of lesser prominence due to the lack of state power, but still following their own doctrines and with their own histories. Constantine ✍ 16:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- As said, the Battle of Hama is questionable, as other primary sources contradict it, and many modern scholars do not think it involved Qarmatians (read Battle of Hama#Background). Have you got examples of battles other than Hama that supposedly involved non-Bahraini Qarmatians? NLeeuw (talk) 11:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Wesean National Leaders[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This counts as a WP:HOAX. Nothing called "Wesea" actually exists. It is an aspiration for certain separatist political movements. Kautilya3 (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per G3. Category has been emptied by an unknown person. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wesea (Western SouthEast Asia). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It was emptied by the nominator. There are scripts that can show you who has added or removed articles or categories from a category. Liz Read! Talk! 20:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, indeed. That is why I didn't use WP:G3 as my rationale. The issue is deeper than just being an empty category. But even G3 should be good enough, for now. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Legendary creatures[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Legendary creatures to Category:Folklore creatures
- Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it, but all contents here seem to fall outside of the realm of serious modern biology. NLeeuw (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep At the moment, "Legendary" sits above "Folklore" and "Mythological creatures" - rather a lot of the contents of the first two should probably be moved to the last. As a matter of English meaning, I don't think "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it" is at all true. "legendary" suggests to me a literary source(s) somewhere quite early on, & I think there is a distinction, if a rather vague one. Johnbod (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- At the moment "legendary" sits above, but the hierarchy could just as well be reversed because there isn't a clear distinction. The fact that the above two editors disagree on what Legendary means illustrates the confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- While I'm not necessarily opposed to merging related folklore/legend/mythology categories together, I don't know which goes where. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- At the moment "legendary" sits above, but the hierarchy could just as well be reversed because there isn't a clear distinction. The fact that the above two editors disagree on what Legendary means illustrates the confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I assume a redirect would be needed after merging.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- A redirect certainly seems helpful, especially if we agree a merger is a good idea, but are in doubt about the best target. One way or the other, readers and editors will thus find their way. NLeeuw (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Legends are a distinct type of folklore, and place their narratives within human history. Dimadick (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge Per nom so that the original single category for this is restored, for the most part the contents of the category have nothing to do with being from folklore, and it's an WP:OVERLAPCAT anyway with folklore falling under the purview of legends. The article itself is Legendary creature. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Either Keep, or do the following: Rename Category:Mythological creatures to Category:Creatures in myth and legend, and Rename Category:Folklore creatures to Category:Creatures in folklore. Then selectively Split Category:Legendary creatures to each of those renamed categories. I think I said this in a previous discussion on CfD, but the Myth/Legend/Folklore distinction is a bit fluid in the sources. I think for our purposes, if we use Folklore as the overall term, and then have a separate "in myth and legend" (or "in myths and legends", if preferred), then I think that should resolve most things, and help a bit more to guide editors away from applying WP:OR. But we need to be careful about Myth, especially in regards to people and creatures, because belief and religion can be involved there. - jc37 20:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Romans from Africa[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Romans from Africa to Category:Roman-era African people
- Propose renaming Category:Ancient Romans by province to Category:Roman-era people by province
- Nominator's rationale: rename, many of these people were not Romans. Aligning this with e.g. Category:Roman-era people by ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Question By "(Ancient) Romans", do we mean "Roman citizens", or is it just anyone who is culturally / ethnolinguistically Roman or Romanised? As far as I can tell, Category:Ancient Romans is not in the Category:People by nationality tree, but through Category:Italic peoples it is in the Category:People by ethnicity tree. Main article Roman Africans defines them as the ancient populations of Roman North Africa that had a Romanized culture, some of whom spoke their own variety of Latin as a result. If there are non-Romans in this category, that means they should either be Purged, or we should Split this category into Roman Africans and Roman-era non-Roman Africans or something. NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: By analogy to Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire, we could have Category:Africans in the Roman Empire, and Roman Africans and non-Roman Africans would be the two subsets of that. Basically, everyone who was an African but not a Roman could be put directly into that category, and everyone who was a "Roman African" could be put in the "Roman Africans" subcategory. NLeeuw (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire is also a good rename target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like the rename target! Mason (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Smasongarrison: at second thought the name might be confusing after all, because it seems to exclude African people from the Roman Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. I was worried about that already. This presumably isn't a problem for Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire then? The Nabataean Kingdom and Roman Judea were annexed after 27 BCE, but I'm not sure about the demographics of Coele-Syria (Roman province) (annexed in 64 BCE). Perhaps other scholars could correct me on this, but by my knowledge, Coele-Syria in the 1st century BCE was populated by a mixture of Greeks and Hellenised Aramaeans, Syriacs, and Jews / Samaritans, and Romans. I'm not sure there was a substantial population of "Arabs" there at a time (though no doubt the occasional Arabian merchant would pass through the region). If Arabs didn't form a significant population within the Roman Republic, perhaps this category doesn't have the same scope issues as our Roman-era Africans. NLeeuw (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Smasongarrison: at second thought the name might be confusing after all, because it seems to exclude African people from the Roman Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like the rename target! Mason (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire is also a good rename target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: By analogy to Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire, we could have Category:Africans in the Roman Empire, and Roman Africans and non-Roman Africans would be the two subsets of that. Basically, everyone who was an African but not a Roman could be put directly into that category, and everyone who was a "Roman African" could be put in the "Roman Africans" subcategory. NLeeuw (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Some more explicit support/opposition to various potential names for the categories would be appreciated :)
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- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire appears to be more problematic than I initially thought, so I stand by the original nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would there be any objection to simply rename to Category:Roman Africans per WP:C2D Roman Africans, and perhaps purge some people who weren't "Roman" enough? NLeeuw (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- How much is "enough"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would there be any objection to simply rename to Category:Roman Africans per WP:C2D Roman Africans, and perhaps purge some people who weren't "Roman" enough? NLeeuw (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Couldn't we have both?★Trekker (talk) 17:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That would be too confusing. We also have a tree of Category:People from Africa (Roman province). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the first, lean oppose the second: the Constitutio Antoniniana of AD 212 granted citizenship to all free residents of the Roman empire, and while there were non-free inhabitants (slaves, prisoners), we would probably consider them Romans irrespective of their legal status. So in theory the only non-Romans from that point onward would be travelers passing through—and they probably do not represent a significant proportion of these categories. Even before this, most of the inhabitants of areas under direct Roman governance are people we would consider "Romans" in the broadest sense.
- The first proposed category could theoretically include people of any origin living anywhere on the continent of Africa between the eighth century BC and the sixth century AD—possibly later, depending on whether you include the Byzantine Empire under "Roman era". In theory this would include the Carthaginians, Numidians, Egyptians, and various other Phoenician and Greek colonists, as well as native peoples, even before they had contact with, much less governance by Rome. But the clear intent of the category under its current title is to include inhabitants of Roman Africa, not other areas, and this also limits the time period—there was no Roman era in Africa until the latter half of the second century BC, and other areas only gradually came under Roman control (for instance, Numidia, Tripolitania, Egypt). Renaming the category as proposed would dramatically increase the nominal scope in a way that is not intended.
- "Roman-era people by province" is not quite as bad, since its geographic scope would be limited to people within the borders of Roman territories, but again it would include relatively few non-Romans, since once a place became a Roman province, its free inhabitants typically became citizens, or in the case of non-free inhabitants who were owned by citizens, or natives under direct Roman governance, we would still typically call them Roman: although there must have been many non-citizens at various early stages, but there will be very few articles about them, and since the category name does not explicitly refer to citizenship, they could still be included under a broad reading of "Romans". The only people who would definitely not be included, again, would be travelers from foreign lands, and there cannot be a significant number of articles about foreign travelers in the Roman Empire—and they would not be "from" the provinces named, so it's not clear they would be included even under the proposed title.
- In all, "Roman-era African people" is a really bad choice, as its title gives it a potentially unlimited scope, unconnected with either Romans or Roman territory; "Roman-era people by province" would be misleading, since it implies a broader scope than that which is evidently intended, even though there would hardly be any non-Romans in it (possibly various Huns, Goths, Franks, or Vandals toward the end of the Western Empire, though some of these became nominally Roman). P Aculeius (talk) 12:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, all four articles in the category are about events after the establishment of the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom.
- NLeeuw (talk) 06:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @@Marcocapelle: Do you think no category is needed for the broader Palestinian territories and the events before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. Which articles are you thinking of in particular? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- No special case at the moment, but there should be cases of violence ocurring in the Palestinian territories before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point. The State of Palestine didn't exist until 1988, while Palestinian territories have existed since 1967 (or 1949), depending on definition.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ping me when you found some articles because then we do not need to merge. Until that happens the merge can go ahead, we do not keep empty categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: For the time being: 1956 Rafah massacre, Qibya massacre, and Khan Yunis massacre. --Mhhossein talk 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mhhossein and Nederlandse Leeuw: shouldn't these articles be in Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate? I don't think the concept of a unified Palestinian territories consisting of Gaza and the West Bank existed before 1967? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's a good question. I had always assumed that whatever area of the former British mandate of Palestine was not incorporated into the State of Israel after the war of 1948 was known as "Palestinian territories", but I would have to consult the historiography on this. NLeeuw (talk) 06:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mhhossein and Nederlandse Leeuw: shouldn't these articles be in Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate? I don't think the concept of a unified Palestinian territories consisting of Gaza and the West Bank existed before 1967? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: For the time being: 1956 Rafah massacre, Qibya massacre, and Khan Yunis massacre. --Mhhossein talk 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ping me when you found some articles because then we do not need to merge. Until that happens the merge can go ahead, we do not keep empty categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point. The State of Palestine didn't exist until 1988, while Palestinian territories have existed since 1967 (or 1949), depending on definition.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- No special case at the moment, but there should be cases of violence ocurring in the Palestinian territories before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. Which articles are you thinking of in particular? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)- Marcocapelle, Nederlandse Leeuw, do you stick by your initial merge !vote? — Qwerfjkltalk 11:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, merging to Category:Violence in the State of Palestine is meanwhile no longer applicable, the two articles currently in the category are pre-1967. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, so delete? keep? — Qwerfjkltalk 12:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Qwerfjkl: either keep, or disperse to Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate. (By lack of more accurate information it should default to keep.) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've got no strong opinion, but what Marco says makes sense. NLeeuw (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Qwerfjkl: either keep, or disperse to Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate. (By lack of more accurate information it should default to keep.) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, so delete? keep? — Qwerfjkltalk 12:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian commercial artists[edit]
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Category:Australian flour millers and merchants[edit]
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Category:Mayoralties of municipalities in the United States[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category whose name is a bit confusing and not accurately descriptive of its contents. The contents here are subpages where a political figure (usually a person who went on from the mayoralty to hold much more prominent national offices, and thus has a very, very long biographical article that needed to have stuff chunked out from it for size management) has had a "Mayoralty of [Person]" article created as a spinoff from their base biography -- but that means that the defining characteristic here is "mayoralties of individual people", not "mayoralties of municipalities" (which could be too easily confused with a redundant duplication of Category:Mayors of places in the United States, and thus potentially have stuff misfiled in it by editors who weren't paying attention to the actual contents of the categories.)
So it should likely be renamed to make its intentions clearer. Bearcat (talk) 16:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Symplectic topology[edit]
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Category:Organisations based in Northeast India[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Organisations based in India not subcategorized this way. Gjs238 (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There is already diffusion by state. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Saadi Shirazi[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. Only the writer and work of theirs in the category. Unhelpful for navigation when there are only two pages like this Mason (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the two articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fox Sports 1 people[edit]
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Category:Meitei goddesses[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Abundance goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Agricultural goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Animal goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Arts goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Beauty goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Commerce goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Crafts goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Creator goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Dance goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Death goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Domestic and hearth goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Fertility goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Food goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Fortune goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Harvest goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Health goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Justice goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Knowledge goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Life-death-rebirth goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Liminal goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Love and lust goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Magic goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Marriage goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Mother goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Mountain goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Music and singing goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Nature goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Pastoral goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Peace goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Savior goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Sky and weather goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Time and fate goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Trickster goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Tutelary goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Underworld goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Virgin goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:War goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Water goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Propose merging Category:Wisdom goddesses in Meitei mythology to Category:Meitei goddesses
- Nominator's rationale: I haven't listed all of the child categories of this, but the problem is not the parent category. The problem is that the parent category contains a massive 39 largely-overlapping categories for just 24 actual articles. I suggest that every child of this category should be merged back to the parent. PepperBeast (talk) 02:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Pepperbeast: I listed them all. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support There is an evident large overlap in the roles of deities in Meitei mythology. For example, Kounu appears in 24 of the 39 categories. Also merge to respective deities by type, such as Category:Abundance goddesses. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hie, Creator of many of the Categories here. To explain why so many categories were created. I actually created all the "in Meitei mythology" to basically UNCLOUT other categories. Apparently ALL the deities of Meitei mythology are Deities of Everything-and-Its-Neighbour and one of the creator of pages put each and every one (or close to it) in dozens of categories for basically almost every god and goddess. I don't know anything about Meitei Mythology, so I can't tell which god really belong in a category or not (apparently basically all goddesses or close to it are Goddess of Abundance, Beauty, Arts, Fertility, Love and lust, Peace, Magic, among other things...) Though some divinities in each Pantheon can have lots of domains (like Apollo in greek mythology, Sucellos in the celt one), and I can't tell which really belong in each category or not. Still, I note that most don't have anything in the description or a reference that would justify many of the various categories listed (I think one of the rational seems to be that if a goddess is beautiful then she's deemed a goddess of Beauty, Fertility as well as Love and lust, any divinity that is not a warrior is automatically pushed into God/Goddess of Peace and basically all divinities are Fortune ones just by existing, unless linked to something unfortunate...) This caused a bit of a strange situation in the various categories, as for exemple if you went to Category:Abundance goddesses to have a look at the goddesses of this domain, half the goddesses (17 out of 34) were the Meitei Goddesses alone, the other half for ALL the other Pantheons in the world put together... Same with the other categories, 20 out of the 44 pages in Category:Beauty goddesses were the Meitei goddesses, 19 out of the 47 pages of Category:Fortune goddesses, etc. Though when so many categories in a pagebelongs to just one other pantheon, usually creating a child page is preferable. --Zeynel (talk) 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The consequence of this is that a lot of purging is needed. That can happen simultaneously with the merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hie, Creator of many of the Categories here. To explain why so many categories were created. I actually created all the "in Meitei mythology" to basically UNCLOUT other categories. Apparently ALL the deities of Meitei mythology are Deities of Everything-and-Its-Neighbour and one of the creator of pages put each and every one (or close to it) in dozens of categories for basically almost every god and goddess. I don't know anything about Meitei Mythology, so I can't tell which god really belong in a category or not (apparently basically all goddesses or close to it are Goddess of Abundance, Beauty, Arts, Fertility, Love and lust, Peace, Magic, among other things...) Though some divinities in each Pantheon can have lots of domains (like Apollo in greek mythology, Sucellos in the celt one), and I can't tell which really belong in each category or not. Still, I note that most don't have anything in the description or a reference that would justify many of the various categories listed (I think one of the rational seems to be that if a goddess is beautiful then she's deemed a goddess of Beauty, Fertility as well as Love and lust, any divinity that is not a warrior is automatically pushed into God/Goddess of Peace and basically all divinities are Fortune ones just by existing, unless linked to something unfortunate...) This caused a bit of a strange situation in the various categories, as for exemple if you went to Category:Abundance goddesses to have a look at the goddesses of this domain, half the goddesses (17 out of 34) were the Meitei Goddesses alone, the other half for ALL the other Pantheons in the world put together... Same with the other categories, 20 out of the 44 pages in Category:Beauty goddesses were the Meitei goddesses, 19 out of the 47 pages of Category:Fortune goddesses, etc. Though when so many categories in a pagebelongs to just one other pantheon, usually creating a child page is preferable. --Zeynel (talk) 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per LaundryPizza03. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as per above.Redtigerxyz Talk 03:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per LaundryPizza03. NLeeuw (talk) 05:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- No merging. Merging back in each category (like merging Category:Abundance goddesses in Meitei mythology into Category:Abundance goddesses) would turn many of those categories into a "Meitei-goddesses-plus-some" categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeynel (talk • contribs)
- Comment Many of these categories have been prematurely emptied by the nominator, Pepperbeast. I'm not sure why they couldn't wait until this had a formal closure before taking action. That's a task for the closer, not the nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 20:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't "prematurely empty" anything. I did my best to remove excessive categories from articles, which I would do regardless of outcome. PepperBeast (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- You emptied multiple categories that are currently up for discussion! Why did this action happen now, during this discussion period? It upends any decision made here by the participants and renders this discussion moot. Couldn't you have done this emptying before or after the nomination? Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, why didn't the OP nominate all the subcategories of Category:Meitei gods as well? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because OP only has so many spoons. PepperBeast (talk) 02:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't "prematurely empty" anything. I did my best to remove excessive categories from articles, which I would do regardless of outcome. PepperBeast (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Category contents were changed without clear explanation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know if it matters but the categories that were emptied after this CFD discussion was opened are:
- Category:Arts goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Magic goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Savior goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Tutelary goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Pastoral goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Trickster goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Knowledge goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Music and singing goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Category:Life-death-rebirth goddesses in Meitei mythology
- Liz Read! Talk! 20:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:12th-century Almohad caliphs[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Category:12th-century Almohad caliphs
Category:Australian newspaper proprietors[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Category:Australian newspaper proprietors
Auto racing teams[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Argentina to Category:Argentine auto racing teams
- Nominator's rationale: Most of these categories were speedily renamed to their current names from the proposed names in May 2023. Discussions at the Formula One WikiProject and the Motorsport WikiProject resolved that these speedy renames should be reversed because, unlike many other sporting teams, auto racing teams may compete all over the world and their national identity is defined by their racing licence and is not necessarily related to the location of their base of operations. Consider the current Formula One World Champions: Red Bull Racing - they are universally recognised as an Austrian team (they use an Austrian racing licence and when they win a race, the Austrian national anthem is played) but their base of operations is in England. The category rename in May 2023 moved the article from the accurate Category:Austrian auto racing teams to the inaccurate Category:Auto racing teams in Austria. DH85868993 (talk) 11:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: because I don't want to close a 44-category CfD as "unopposed".
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts talk 04:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, because at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport there is apparent consensus for it. Nominator already linked to that discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per nominator's rationale. SSSB (talk) 14:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate
Category:Christian universalists by nationality[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: revert reparenting. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per this conversation, "Universalism" is not a denomination. I am bringing this to CfD per Smasongarrison's suggestion to confirm that others agree that this revision by Neddyseagoon is inappropriate and should be undone. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, my request was to get feedback on whether universalism should be parented by denomination or placed in the main category as a philosophy/theory. I never said that the revision from 2016 was inappropriate, I said that was a stable edit. I don't have a strong opinion, on the parent category, but I did want others to weigh in about how it should be categorized. Mason (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry if I misrepresented you. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, my request was to get feedback on whether universalism should be parented by denomination or placed in the main category as a philosophy/theory. I never said that the revision from 2016 was inappropriate, I said that was a stable edit. I don't have a strong opinion, on the parent category, but I did want others to weigh in about how it should be categorized. Mason (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Revert the re-parenting per nom. Universalism is a theological concept with advocates and opponents but it is not a denomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Former Qin Buddhist monks (2 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Former Qin Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Liang (Sixteen Kingdoms) Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Liang (Sixteen Kingdoms) Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Qin Buddhist monks (2 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Qin Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Zhao Buddhist monks (3 P) to Category:Sixteen Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Zhao Buddhists
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the Sixteen Kingdoms contains partially parallel and mostly very short-living kingdoms, typically a few decades. No need to categorize Buddhist monks by each of them separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Mason (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Scottish women embroiderers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Scottish women embroiderers to Category:Scottish women artists and Category:British embroiderers
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. This is a non-defining intersection between the type of textile artist and gender. Mason (talk) 03:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pretenders to the Mexican throne[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OR WP:NPOV WP:BLP (Maximilian von Götzen-Iturbide states: Götzen does not pursue any claim to the throne...Despite Götzen not actively pursuing any claim himself, social media users claiming to be Mexican monarchists have posted their support of his claim., therefore also WP:NONDEFINING). Follow-up to recent deletion of main article Pretenders to the Mexican throne, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Mexico. See also User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Pretenders#NLeeuw category list.
- Some deceased people in this category also appear to be inappropriately labelled pretenders:
- Agustín de Iturbide y Green: When he came of age, Iturbide, who had graduated from Georgetown University, renounced his claim to the throne and title and returned to Mexico. So as soon as he was legally capable, he renounced his claim.
- María Josepha Sophia de Iturbide: [She inhered] the Habsburg claim on the throne. Maria Josepha was a very traditional Lady, and a devout Roman Catholic, and stayed as far away from politics as she could. Doesn't seem to have actively pursued her claim either; seems more like other people expect(ed) her to pursue it for purely genealogical reasons (but WP:NOTGENEALOGY).
- Carlos Felipe de Habsburgo isn't even in this category, but still included in Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne (apparently also only purely for genealogical reasons), so I think I'm gonna nominate that for deletion as well. NLeeuw (talk) 07:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mccapra: courtesy ping for follow-up of previous discussion. NLeeuw (talk) 07:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 12#Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne has also been nominated for deletion. NLeeuw (talk) 07:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Associated TfD was closed as delete.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. We would not want to have Category:People who are claimed to have claimed the Mexican throne but who did not really claim it. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Marco. (Lol, I hope no one ever makes that category, but I do love vibe the name gives) Mason (talk) 04:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Haha Marco wins the Internet today! NLeeuw (talk) 16:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI the result of the template discussion was Delete as well: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 12#Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne. NLeeuw (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Haha Marco wins the Internet today! NLeeuw (talk) 16:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Marco. (Lol, I hope no one ever makes that category, but I do love vibe the name gives) Mason (talk) 04:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Whitewashing in film[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Category:Whitewashing in film
Category:Defunct Catholic schools in Louisville, Kentucky[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. There's only one page in here, and no other city (or state) level categories in Defunct Catholic schools in the United States Mason (talk) 01:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split as proposed. This seems eminently reasonable, and I have no idea why I saw the necessity for this category nearly 18 years ago. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 02:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh wait, there probably used to be more entries at some point that ended up being deleted. That's my guess. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 02:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's probably what happened. There's definitely been changes to how notability for schools should be handled, so its totally reasonable that it made sense at the time. Mason (talk) 04:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh wait, there probably used to be more entries at some point that ended up being deleted. That's my guess. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 02:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 20[edit]
Category:Permadeath games[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 28#Category:Permadeath games
Category:Stereolab songs[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Stereolab songs to Category:Stereolab
- Nominator's rationale: Sole entry is a redirect. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, it redirects to the main article of the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle this is no longer the case as @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars changed the redirect target. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok but it still redirect to an article that is already in the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, just covering all bases. For the record, I'm not opposed to deletion if that is preferred. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok but it still redirect to an article that is already in the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle this is no longer the case as @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars changed the redirect target. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Barely a mention at Stereolab discography to make this category useful for just the one title. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:High Peak[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:High Peak to Category:High Peak, Derbyshire
- Nominator's rationale: Recreation of existing category. Dave.Dunford (talk) 13:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category is empty. Liz Read! Talk! 15:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete as duplicate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tamil Nadu MLAs 1967–1972[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Tamil Nadu MLAs 1967–1971. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Tamil Nadu MLAs 1967–1972 to Category:Tamil Nadu MLAs 1967–1971
- Nominator's rationale: This category is for people elected in the 1967 election. Given that the next election was in 1971, I believe this category's name should be corrected accordingly. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Is this category supposed to refer to when the politicians were elected or when they took office? Inter&anthro (talk) 12:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, the next category starts in 1971 and there is 1971 Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly election. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Game of Thrones templates[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:A Song of Ice and Fire templates. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category for a single template. Unnecessary level. Add the template to the parent category. Gonnym (talk) 05:41, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: added Game of Thrones user templates to the category. —andrybak (talk) 16:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:The Taste contestants[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one person in this category for a tv show that ran for 3 seasons Mason (talk) 04:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Buildings and structures completed by year, before 1000[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 565 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 560s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 574 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 570s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 586 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 565 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 560s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 574 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 570s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 586 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 587 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 588 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 589 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 593 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 590s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 597 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 590s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 598 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 590s
- Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in 599 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 590s
- Nominator's rationale: A long list of WP:OCYEAR categories — 504 in total — that all contain 3 or fewer unique articles each, overwhelmingly about religious buildings. However, almost all of these years have enough categories to justify a decade category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:565 establishments, etc. Nom is right, this is a redundant category layer for this period. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per Marcocapelle. By the way, there are probably several articles about buildings from this era which were never categorized in an establishment category. Dimadick (talk) 07:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Some of these categories are being deleted by the CFD bot as if this discussion had been closed (which it hasn't) and other categories are being emptied. This is a huge group of categories and shouldn't be handled piecemeal. Liz Read! Talk! 02:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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15 to 21 days old[edit]
June 19[edit]
Category:Moomin locations[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: There is only one article in this category, with low chances that it will ever be a meaningful size. Jontesta (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - other articles could be added to this category: Moomin World, Moomin Museum, Metsä (theme park). Goustien (talk) 04:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination and Marcocapelle. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, Moomin World, Moomin Museum, Metsä (theme park) aren't in-fiction locations so they do not fit the category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and marco. Mason (talk) 04:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Moomins as overly small and unnecessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Princes(ses) by country[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 27#Category:Princes(ses) by country
Three Kingdoms Buddhists[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Cao Wei Buddhists (1 P) to Category:Three Kingdoms Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Eastern Wu Buddhists (1 C, 2 P) to Category:Three Kingdoms Buddhists and Category:People of Eastern Wu
- Propose merging Category:Eastern Wu Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Chinese Buddhist monks and Category:Three Kingdoms Buddhists and Category:People of Eastern Wu
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:NARROWCAT, a relatively short period in Chinese history from 220 to 280 AD does not require splitting in every of the three parallel kingdoms. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nominator's rational. Inter&anthro (talk) 12:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category: Philosophy majors[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- *Propose deleting Category:Philosophy majors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-notable, pointless, one-off categorization. Unnecessary in light of Category:Philosophers. Tkaras1 (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we do not categorize by education level. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete It is outside the scope of Wikipedia's categorization methods. desmay (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No one is really defined by their undergraduate major. Mason (talk) 04:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian-themed retailers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The only category of its kind that I can find with the name of a nation and themed retailers on Wikipedia. This category does not make any sense as these are companies with operations in Australia, but are not Australian-themed. Themed would imply something implicit about Australian culture or history. This can be considered to be OR as the majority of articles don't make mention that they are based on the concept of Australian culture.
They would include Bloomin' Brands, Deliveroo, Gillyhicks, Kangaroo (video on demand), KangaRoos, and Kangol. Australia Dairy Company has little to do with it other than materials imported from the country. Australian Homemade is just the name of a sweets company. Bloomin' Brands is just a holding company that owns several restaurant chains.
Outback Steakhouse and Walkabout (pub chain) are the only two businesses with a theme based on Australia, but even then two articles would be too small for a category like this.
The categories that this is under Retailers by type of merchandise sold, Works about Australia, and Retailing in Australia have no relevance as these are not works in terms of literature, films, music, etc. usually considered in the line of popular culture. No evidence they sell Australian-type merchandise if that is even a thing.
And while Retailing in Australia would be considered since a couple of them do business in Australia, they should be in the Retailing category than this one if it applies. Australian Homemade is under Category:Restaurant chains in Australia, under a subcat of Australian brands, which is a subcat of the main Retailing in Australia category. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, in the spirit of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Albanian basketball players by populated place[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Container category containing only two categories. User:Namiba 11:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per Grutness. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- COMMENT: "By populated place" categories are generally kept as long as they have more than one subcat. If consensus is to merge, it should be upmerged to both Category:Basketball players by populated place and Category:Albanian basketball players, with no prejudice against re-creation if more "by populated place" categories arise. Grutness...wha? 16:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Children of two peers and peeresses created life peers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support as already indicated in the speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom.
- 98.228.137.44 (talk) 00:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kryvyi Rih National University, General Faculty alumni[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Kryvyi Rih National University, General Faculty is a redundant category layer, and the alumni category only has 1 person in it. Mason (talk) 01:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge No main article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Athletes by religion[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Athletes by religion
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim athletes
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim basketball players
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim boxers
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim American football players
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCTRIVIAL, there is a long-standing consensus against intertwining sports and religion on Wikipedia (see here for example), and I struggle to see how these categories are any different. Because the article entries appear to be only from the United States, perhaps there could be a move discussion to something like Category:American Muslim athletes or Category:American athletes by religion as that may have been the creator's intention, but that still would seem to fail the site's category guidelines. Inter&anthro (talk) 20:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Please note that this differs from Jewish athletes since Judaism is both an ethnicity and a religion (an ethnoreligion) and most Jewish athletes identity as Jewish by virtue of being born Jewish and very few (VERY few) actually convert. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. @Omnis Scientia: please note that WP:OCEGRS applies to both ethnicity and religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed but there are exceptions to that rule as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see why. There are lots of Jewish categories for sure but that is just because WP:OCEGRS is not well reinforced. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is fair. If you want, I can go through them. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see why. There are lots of Jewish categories for sure but that is just because WP:OCEGRS is not well reinforced. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed but there are exceptions to that rule as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 18[edit]
Category:Usain Bolt[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: No need for an eponymous category for one related article. WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, I added some pages to the category so there's not just one anymore. There are plenty more that could be added as well – for example, similar to List of career achievements by Michael Johnson or for his book, his foundation, etc. --Habst (talk) 20:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; it seems perfectly reasonable and, I imagine, will be more populated with time. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Refugees ennobled in the United Kingdom[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. A cross-section between refugees and nobles. While defining seperately, they aren't defining together. Also, one of them was not ennobled but rather married into the British royal family. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.98.228.137.44 (talk) 00:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Fooian Barons[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Sweden to Category:Swedish barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Spain to Category:Spanish barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Portugal to Category:Portuguese barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Poland to Category:Polish barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of the Netherlands to Category:Dutch barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Luxembourg to Category:Luxembourgian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons in Italy to Category:Italian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Hungary to Category:Hungarian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Germany to Category:German barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of France to Category:French barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Denmark to Category:Danish barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Croatia to Category:Croatian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Belgium to Category:Belgian barons
- Propose renaming Category:Barons of Austria to Category:Austrian barons
- Nominator's rationale: I would have speedied this but will go through Cfd first then the rest can be speedied. Rename; the name can be misleading and I think the correct form should be "Fooian barons", like it is "Fooian baronesses" and so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- No explanation or reason. Why can it be misleading? --Silverije 22:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, these are categories by nationality, not by title. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Barons from the Austrian Empire[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge; only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Japanese films by subject[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Japanese films by subject to Category:Japanese films by topic
- Nominator's rationale: This category seems to overlap the standard "by topic and country" one. Unless I missed something. (There's no Category:Films by subject and country)-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British co-ed groups[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Category:British co-ed groups
Category:Languages with ISO 639-3 code[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Largely redundant, as all major languages and most languages with millions of speakers have one. If we do decide this is a useful category, rename to Category:Languages with ISO 639-3 codes. Remsense诉 10:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mělník geography stubs[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Category:Mělník geography stubs
Category:Prague-West geography stubs[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Category:Prague-West geography stubs
Category:21st century in Nouakchott[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/keep/delete respectively.
- Merge Category:21st century in Nouakchott
- Keep Category:History of Nouakchott
- Delete Category:Centuries in Nouakchott (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:21st century in Nouakchott to Category:Nouakchott
- Propose deleting Category:History of Nouakchott
- Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Nouakchott
- Nominator's rationale: merge, there is only one article in the entire tree of Category:History of Nouakchott. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Adding two categories that will become empty if this is merged. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the 21st-C and Centuries categories - keep Category:History of Nouakchott. There was some undersorting - the category now has several articles. Grutness...wha? 04:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. Then keeping the history category is reasonable. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 26#Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks
June 17[edit]
Category:Dead or Alive (franchise) films[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Dead or Alive (film series). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Dead or Alive (franchise) films to Category:Dead of Alive (film series)
- Nominator's rationale: To avoid confusion with the Dead or Alive video game franchise. Could also be deleted, as the films have a fairly loose connection between them. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- May want to check on the suggested category name; you may have meant or rather than of. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Yeah right now the name is quite confusing.★Trekker (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StarTrekker and (Oinkers42): do you mean Category:Dead or Alive (film series)? See Nat Gertler's comment. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Companies in the MSCI KLD 400 Social Index[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a defining category -- one of many indices that these companies would be on. Index's own article doesn't demonstrate notability. Nat Gertler (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - MSCI literally publishes the inclusion criteria/methodology. A company wouldn't "just be on" a list like this (ie Apple isn't). It's exclusive enough (only about 10% of companies in the US). Only reason article doesn't list them all is because there's 400 of them. And that's what a category is for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.190.234 (talk) 20:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- That might make it a defined category; that does not make it a defining category of the group's members, one that is likely to be mentioned by appropriate sources covering an individual member... which is the requirement for categorization. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic of a company. If anything, a list might be created, instead of a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. For this to be a useful category, when independent reliable sources (probably in the business press) are writing articles about companies that are in the index, those sources would have to mention that, for example, "Company X, a member of the MSCI KLD 400 Social Index, etc." or write articles noting that a company was added to or removed from the Index. Those sorts of mentions would have to be made in reliable sources of a company's inclusion in the Index in order to add a sentence to the article asserting as an important fact about the company that it is in the Index. Then enough such sentences in enough such articles would have to exist before it would make sense to have a category like this. This category in recent days has been added to dozens of articles and although I haven't looked at all of them, the articles I have looked at don't even mention in the body of the article that the company belongs to the Index. This means that the many editors who have worked on these many articles have hitherto not felt that being in the Index was a notable or important fact about the companies they were writing about which might be because reliable news sources don't mention it either, with respect to the companies that belong to the Index. Novellasyes (talk) 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- In the interest of clarity, I should note that the IP user who responded "Keep" above actually did add text mentioning the Index listing to dozens of articles about companies on the Index (in the wake of the category being deleted from a company's page because it was not mentioned in the text.) However, the source they were using was a promotional page for an Index-based fund on Blackrock, which is not only selling a fund based on the index but is one of the companies in the Index. As such, it is not truly an independent source... and even if it were, it's not a source for the listing of a company on the source being significant to that company. I reverted those additions, as so many links to a sales page add up to the strong scent of spam. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay got that thanks! Sorry I missed it. Big old mess, right? Novellasyes (talk) 17:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- In the interest of clarity, I should note that the IP user who responded "Keep" above actually did add text mentioning the Index listing to dozens of articles about companies on the Index (in the wake of the category being deleted from a company's page because it was not mentioned in the text.) However, the source they were using was a promotional page for an Index-based fund on Blackrock, which is not only selling a fund based on the index but is one of the companies in the Index. As such, it is not truly an independent source... and even if it were, it's not a source for the listing of a company on the source being significant to that company. I reverted those additions, as so many links to a sales page add up to the strong scent of spam. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Bergey's volume 1[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Category:Bergey's volume 1
Category:Divers from London, Ontario[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Possibly merge to Category:Sportspeople from London, Ontario but the article does not mention London at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rugby league players by city or town in Namibia[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete whole tree. Only one category which only has one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:White Southerners (United States)[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. Half of Americans could conceivably belong to this group. First two applications of this cat (Confederados, Jefferson Davis) demonstrate the user's intention. This new category is associated with category creator's reverted new versions of White Southerners article. BusterD (talk) 13:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:OVERLAPCAT, with the current content the scope of the category seems similar to the whole tree of Category:Confederate States of America. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of Emmerdale characters[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Emmerdale characters to Category:List of Emmerdale characters
- Nominator's rationale: I feel as though that renaming it to 'Category:List of Emmerdale characters'. Reason (rationale) is because I feel as though 'list' makes more sense than 'lists', but idk if the grammar/title is in a correct format so I am brining it to discussion. JuniperChill (talk) 12:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is not a list of characters, it is a category containing the "lists" of characters and hence should not be renamed. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 13:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the category contains multiple lists. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Athletes by location in Greece[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 25#Category:Athletes by location in Greece
Category:Plague doctor[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Plague doctors. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Plague doctor to Category:History of medieval medicine
- Nominator's rationale: Selective merge/major purge. Only two of the pages actually fit in this category; the rest are medical professionals who treated the plague. Mason (talk) 01:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Plague doctors, it is largely a set category. Purge Harsh Vardhan Batra who is a modern scientist rather than a 16th/17th century plague doctor. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Marco Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Marcocapelle. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 23:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 16[edit]
Category:Mexican baseball players by populated place[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn there are more categories now. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Triple merge to parent categories. Only one category layer Category:Mexican baseball players Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. There's only one subcat because one or two American baseball fans decided that baseball shouldn't be split by city (unlike every other sport). A fewcouple of Mexican city categories (such as Monterrey) were deleted at that time. I've added one that didn't exist before, so there are now two in the proposed category, but if that's seen as unnecessary, you have my permission (as sole author) to delete it too. Grutness...wha? 03:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Baseball players by populated place, the content is already kept in the tree of the two other targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cheerleader video games[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: Procedural close. As it is uncontroversial, it will be immediately nominated for speedy renaming. (non-admin closure) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cheerleader video games to Category:Cheerleading video games
- Nominator's rationale: All other activity-related video game categories follow the format of referring to the name of the activity rather than an individual participant in it. For instance, "Cooking Video Games" rather than "Chef Video Games" and "Association Football Video Games" rather than "Footballer Video Games". The category should therefore follow this naming convention. SummerPocket (talk) 20:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I am going to procedurally close this and nominate it for speedy renaming instead, as it is an uncontroversial rename based on the parent category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Works by year and decade, 500-1000[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete/merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:565 works
- Propose deleting Category:565 works
- Propose deleting Category:574 works
- Propose deleting Category:586 works
- Propose deleting Category:587 works
- Propose deleting Category:588 works
- Propose deleting Category:589 works
- Propose deleting Category:593 works
- Propose deleting Category:597 works
- Nominator's rationale: delete (or merge if incidentally there is an article in the category). In the period 500-1000 this category tree nearly coincides with Category:Buildings and structures by year of completion and Category:Buildings and structures by decade of completion, it is a redundant category layer that adds unnecessary complexity. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The date of creation of most works from this era is not percisely known. Most of the lower-level categories are also overly small. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mansas of Mali[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 24#Category:Mansas of Mali
Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2020s[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: Moot. Nom is moot because cats deleted under G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2020s (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Shootings in 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2010s (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: We don't need to distinguish that the shooting was terrorist related. And this is really giving off the same vibes Mason (talk) 18:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Bombings[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: Moot. Nom is moot because cats deleted under G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Bombings by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2024 bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2020s bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Empty pile of categories by a new editor who's category creation behavior is reminiscent of @Brudelman:. I'm nomiating the cats to just get them all out of the way in one go. Mason (talk) 18:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Com Truise[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: With only subcategories for albums (and their covers, which are only image files) along with a discography page, this is overcategorization per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Basshunter instrumentals[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is the only category in Category:Instrumentals dedicated to one artist, and all of the items in the category are redirects. Trivialist (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Knights of Boufflers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French knights. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Knights of Boufflers to Category:French knights and Category:People from Hauts-de-France
- Propose merging Category:Knights of Chaumont to Category:French knights and Category:People from Chaumont, Haute-Marne
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The only person is each of these category doesn't mention this knighthood. Mason (talk) 14:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but to Category:French knights only. There is no evidence that these people were from somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 24#Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States
Category:Expulsions of Jews in 19th-century Europe[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews from Palestine to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews from the Middle East to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Nazi and Axis countries to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- @Smasongarrison missing rationale in this and the three other proposals above? You could bundle them with the proposal below, or copypaste your rationale from it? NLeeuw (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- You caught me mid bundle, as I had just discovered the CFD, and got distracted. Mason (talk) 13:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in 19th-century Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in antiquity to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Medieval Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Communist Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in The Americas to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Nominator's rationale: Narrow categories made by the same user that are not helpful for navigation. If not merged, they need to be renamed to match category conventions. Notably the category creator participated in the CFD Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_7#Category:Expulsions_of_Jews_in_Nazi-controlled_Europe, which ended in delete/merge. They immediately recreated one of the categories and added the page back less than 24 hours after the CFD was processed.[1] Mason (talk) 13:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pining folks from previous cfd @Marcocapelle @Buidhe @Keizers @Pppery @Liz. Mason (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Purge and merge, many articles aren't about an expulsion at all. Too few really are about an expulsion so we do not need this diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – Per nom. Yue🌙 06:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1986[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1986 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1981 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1967 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1940 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1971 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize alumn by the year they graduated (with rare exception) Mason (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Primary sources on Philippine history in the 16th century[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: merge. Is a non-defining 3x intersection category, and several of the documents in 16th century aren't actually from the 16th century Mason (talk) 12:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Quite interesting, actually, but Mason is right. NLeeuw (talk) 13:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Authors of Spanish ethnographic accounts of the Philippines in the 16th century[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Historians of the Philippines and Category:16th-century Spanish historians and Category:Spanish people in the colonial Philippines. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Multiple merge this Narrow category. If not merged, it should be renamed to Spanish ethnographers of the colonial Philippines or something to that effect Mason (talk) 12:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, though I doubt if these articles should be in an ethnographers category. On the other hand, they may also be added to Category:Historians of the Philippines. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- O.o great find! Category:Historians of the Philippines is an excellent merge alternative. Mason (talk) 14:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:21st-century Somali-Canadian women engineers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Extremely narrow intersection, made by a user who hasn't really learned how categories work Mason (talk) 04:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the article is already in Category:Somalian emigrants to Canada. Category:21st-century Somali women engineers should be deleted too. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete's fine with me. 21st-century Somali women engineers with be empty afterwards. Mason (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:African women mathematicians[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:African women mathematicians to Category:African mathematicians
- Nominator's rationale: Is underpopulated at the moment. It could be used as a container category. Mason (talk) 03:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, articles are already in a mathematicians by nationality category. It is odd to have biographies directly in a continent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete's fine with me Mason (talk) 12:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:African women in engineering[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: There's no African engineers category parent category. Delete per EGRS. I'm working on adding each person to the proper parent categories. Mason (talk) 03:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it is odd to have biographies directly in a continent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 15[edit]
X by ethnic or national origin[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of American people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of American people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American actors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American models by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American models by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American military personnel by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American film directors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American film directors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Organized crime by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Organized crime by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American musicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American musicians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American architects by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American architects by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American scientists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American scientists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American journalists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American journalists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American rappers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American rappers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American writers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American writers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American artists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American artists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American gangsters by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American gangsters by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American novelists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American novelists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American social scientists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American social scientists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American short story writers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American short story writers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American poets by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American poets by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American trade unionists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American trade unionists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American aviators by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American aviators by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Canadian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Canadian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American activists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American activists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American sculptors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American sculptors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American classical musicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American classical musicians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American singers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American singers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American academics by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American academics by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Brazilian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Brazilian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Hawaii people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hawaii people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American male actors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American male actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American actresses by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American actresses by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American lawyers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Pakistani people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Pakistani people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:People from the Austrian Empire by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People from the Austrian Empire by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American comedians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American comedians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Israeli people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Israeli people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American photographers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American photographers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American educators by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American educators by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Iranian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Iranian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American physicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American physicians by ethnicity
- Nominator's rationale: Per brevity, actual contents, and consistency with almost all of the non-US categories. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_7#Category:American_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, ethnicity is not about people's ancestors, it is about what people are themselves. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:20th century rump states[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:20th century rump states to Category:Rump states
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this isolated category. If not merged, it should be renamed to 20th-century rump states Mason (talk) 21:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The target category is not large enough to support any diffusion beyond the remaining categories by historical empire. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:21st century in Malé[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:21st century in Malé to Category:History of Malé
- Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Malé
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, this is the only content in the tree of the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Category:Centuries in Malé can also be deleted, as it will become empty. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state
Category:Counterparts to the protagonist[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge, "counterpart" is a subjective characterizstion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manual merge Mixture of several distinct concepts, some of which are covered by other subcategories of the target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manual merge per LP. It is definitely an WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 13:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- For earlier related discussions after which this was kept, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 23#Category:Characters by role in the narrative structure and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 August 17#Category:Counterparts to the protagonist. – Fayenatic London 15:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still get the impression that these roles should have their own categories if applicable, e.g. a category for Category:Fictional love interests. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see that I previously defended this category, but some former members may have been merged, leaving less content to make these two categories worthwhile. I now support the proposed merge. – Fayenatic London 15:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Antagonists by role[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Antagonists by role to Category:Antagonists
- Nominator's rationale: Unclear why "by role" is in the name. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:United Hospitals[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:United Hospitals to Category:Medical schools in London
- Nominator's rationale: These categories appear to be equivalent and "Medical schools in London" describes the contents of the categories more clearly. I have not nominated the Category:United Hospitals sports clubs subcategory as that may be the common name. TSventon (talk) 15:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but leave a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that a redirect makes sense. TSventon (talk) 11:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hotel Transylvania television series[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only one article. Definitely a case of WP:OVERCAT. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People with substance use disorder[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category will never meet WP:BLPCAT or WP:CATDEFINE/WP:COPDEF. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, never say never, but it is very unlikely. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 21:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the nomination. TarnishedPathtalk 05:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Hinglaj Mata[edit]
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Category:Lists of foods by nationality[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists and reparent. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Food does not have a nationality; only human beings do. Aldij (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Rename per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Meanwhile better targets have been proposed below, so this is outdated. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Agree with nom.--Funandtrvl (talk) 01:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment Shouldn't this be something like List of foods/dishes by cuisine? All child categories are named Fooian cuisine-related lists, while almost all articles are named List of Barian dishes/foods/drinks/desserts/ingredients. It seems like Barian is explicitly meant to include diaspora communities of Barian emigrants around the world, who have taken their Barian cuisine dishes and stuff with them. If we rename to "by country", we could be excluding diaspora communities, while "nationality" (though problematic) at least includes first-generation emigrants from Bar. I'm not sure what a better alternative would be, though. Thoughts? NLeeuw (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- but the category's parent is Category:Cuisine by country, and it looks like Category:Cuisine by ethnicity doesn't have any countries in it. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm yeah. I'm still missing the "cuisine" part though. Lists of foods/dishes by cuisine by country? Idk. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cuisine-related lists by country? --DB1729talk 13:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- We do not need food or dishes at all, so Cuisine-related lists by country is the better option. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Cuisine-related lists by country sounds like a good choice, since it represents what's in the category. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Won't we need Category:Cuisine-related lists, also? --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting question. I'd say, as Category:Cuisine-related lists does not exist yet, we might as well rename Category:Lists of foods by nationality to Category:Cuisine-related lists. We do not really need "by country" or "by nationality" at this point. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is indeed better! I updated proposal. --Aldij (talk) 11:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Won't we need Category:Cuisine-related lists, also? --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Cuisine-related lists by country sounds like a good choice, since it represents what's in the category. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cuisine-related lists by country? --DB1729talk 13:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm yeah. I'm still missing the "cuisine" part though. Lists of foods/dishes by cuisine by country? Idk. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- but the category's parent is Category:Cuisine by country, and it looks like Category:Cuisine by ethnicity doesn't have any countries in it. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- CU note - the OP is the sock of a prolific LTA. Girth Summit (blether) 11:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Given that the nominator turns to have been a sockpuppet and has now been blocked, but we seem close to an agreement, I suggest we rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists per Marcocapelle. @Funandtrvl and DB1729: would you agree? And @Marcocapelle: you might want to clarify your !vote of 16:26, 6 June 2024 (the closer might get confused whether it should be counted for original proposal Category:Lists of foods by country, or amended proposal Category:Cuisine-related lists). NLeeuw (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. Rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists. DB1729talk 13:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- agree, rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists. --Funandtrvl (talk) 02:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd put the renamed category as a child category of Category:Cuisine, instead of under Category:Cuisine by country. --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss[edit]
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Category:18th-century Wallachian poets[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:18th-century Wallachian poets
Category:Malayan law by year[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Malayan law by year to Category:Malayan law
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, Category:Malayan law is otherwise empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Malaysia since Independence[edit]
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Category:History of Malaya[edit]
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Category:History of Malaysia by Federal Territory[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not needed, the subcategory is already in Category:Histories of cities in Malaysia. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete/upmerge, little point carving out Federal territory categories from state categories. (Whether that means renaming categories like Category:Categories by state of Malaysia is another matter.) CMD (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, Category:History of Kuala Lumpur should be placed in all of the categories this cat is currently in. CMD (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is already in the relevant subcategories of the parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, Category:History of Kuala Lumpur should be placed in all of the categories this cat is currently in. CMD (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cultural policy of East Germany[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Culture of East Germany. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, overall poorly fitting content. One article is about a festival, the other article is about general duties of citizens. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge for now to Category:Culture of East Germany. Child Category:Cultural organisations based in East Germany (1 P) should also be upmerged to Category:Culture of East Germany. I don't think just delete is a good option here. NLeeuw (talk) 06:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, then it'll be merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:18th-century German Jewish theologians[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category Mason (talk) 04:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ambassadors of Australia to Kosovo[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is for people articles, not list articles. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it is not necessarily wrong to have the list in the category, but with only the list in it the category is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The ambassador of Australia to Austria is accredited to six different countries, including Kosovo. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Film posters by country[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Afghan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Albanian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:American film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Argentine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Austrian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Brazilian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:British film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Burmese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Danish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:French film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:German film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Greek film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Icelandic film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indonesian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Iranian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Italian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Japanese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Macedonian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Malaysian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Maldivian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Mexican film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:New Zealand film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Nigerian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Pakistani film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Peruvian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Philippine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Polish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Portuguese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Singaporean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South African film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South Korean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Spanish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Swedish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Turkish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Uruguayan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The current category names are ambiguous as to whether they're, for example, posters of Swedish films or film posters from Sweden. I'd recommend renaming to "Film posters of Sweden" like the Commons categories. hinnk (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Film posters made in Sweden?
- Film posters hung in Sweden?
- Posters of films made in Sweden?
- Posters of films made by Swedish crew members or crew members from Sweden?
- Film posters that show "Sweden" (e.g. its landscapes or symbols associated with Sweden)?
- Film posters made or owned by the government of Sweden?
- Poster of films made by the government of Sweden?
- Etc.
- All of these are more or less reasonable interpretations of Film posters of Sweden. I'm glad you're trying to clarify the catnames, but I don't see it getting much clearer. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Both en:Category:Film posters by language and commons:Category:Film posters by country already better manage this ambiguity, so it does seem like it can be clearer than it is. Even a decision not to rename but develop a consensus on what the subcategories mean and add that to Category:Film posters by language would make it clearer. I don't think being pedantic is helpful here. hinnk (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmmm ok. Weak support. It's better than the current situation. NLeeuw (talk) 18:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both en:Category:Film posters by language and commons:Category:Film posters by country already better manage this ambiguity, so it does seem like it can be clearer than it is. Even a decision not to rename but develop a consensus on what the subcategories mean and add that to Category:Film posters by language would make it clearer. I don't think being pedantic is helpful here. hinnk (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Comment, regardless of renaming I do not think this is very ambiguous. Posters of Swedish films (i.e. in other countries than Sweden) would be a rather odd reading. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose; I don't think its very ambiguous. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support matching commonscat.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose. Commons category naming tends to have less good scrutiny than enwiki, so it lacks weight as a precedent. These poster categories should follow the parents Category:Japanese films etc. – Fayenatic London 13:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British women Marxists[edit]
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Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! characters[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! characters
Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only 2 pages at present, so not useful for navigation. – Fayenatic London 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the current number of articles in the category I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the current number of articles in the category I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. 9 pages now that I have put the communes into the category. 14 when articles are started for the capitals of the communes. And a region with over 600,000 people surely has many more settlements that deserve an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Communes are administrative units if I understand correctly, not populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I have reverted those additions, because the Communes of Burundi are not "populated places" which means cities/towns/villages. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- According to the wikipedia articles, each of the seven communes in Kirundo Province has a capital with the same name. The capital of the Commune of Bugabira is Bugabira. The capital of the Commune of Busoni is Busoni, and so on. Kirundo Province had a population of 628,256 as of the 2008 census. The 2018 population was estimated as 927,761, or about 130,000 per commune. Our coverage of this region is atrocious. Let's not make it even harder for editors to improve it.
- This source describes Bugabira as a small town with colonial-era architecture. Bugabira commune is divided into the collines of Kiri, Kiyonza, Gaturanda, Rubuga, Kigina, Nyakarama, Nyamabuye, Nyabikenke, Rugasa, Gitwe and Kigoma.[2] Google maps shows Gaturanda as a region south of an arm of Lake Cyohoha South with labelled villages named Gaturanda, Rugondo and Rubuga. Gaturanda village looks substantial.[3] In 2012 the Global Water Partnership Eastern Africa gathered data related to drought in Rubuga, Kigina, and Gaturanda in Bugabira commune.[4] In August 2014 six houses were burned in Bugabira commune, including five in Gaturanda and one in Kigoma.[5] In April 2016 Gaston Sindimwo, President of Burundi, visited Gaturanda, which lies on the border with Rwanda, to ask the people not to stir up problems over refugees.[6] In 2023 Bugabira municipality issued a call for tenders for extension of the Gaturanda health center.[7].
- Clearly these is enough information online to piece together sketches of the many populated places in Kirundo Province. The category structure should be ready for them. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The category structure should be made ready after there are enough articles, not before. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I have reverted those additions, because the Communes of Burundi are not "populated places" which means cities/towns/villages. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: How many populated places are enough to justify the category for the province? Would it matter if they were all in the same commune? Aymatth2 (talk) 22:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: You may want to chime in on this. An accepted number could save a lot of time on debates over lightly-populated categories. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Aymatth2: "Five" is often mentioned at CFD as some editors' opinion of a sensible minimum. Personally, I would create a category for four. In a case like this, where additional stubs could easily be created, I would not bother nominating a category that had three members – but I would still not encourage you to create it for less than four. – Fayenatic London 08:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is helpful. I have pumped up Kirundo Province a bit and may start some articles on features of the province. @Marcocapelle: Any thoughts? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Aymatth2: "Five" is often mentioned at CFD as some editors' opinion of a sensible minimum. Personally, I would create a category for four. In a case like this, where additional stubs could easily be created, I would not bother nominating a category that had three members – but I would still not encourage you to create it for less than four. – Fayenatic London 08:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have often included Commune and town in the same article for African countries. Makes sense for places in the developing world where there may not be an abundance of sources. Though I don't think we should really have the commune and town in the same article for places which cover an area of 235 square kilometres like Bugabira. Either way, it would be silly to delete a category simply because the region is underdeveloped. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Communes are administrative units if I understand correctly, not populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- As Aymatth2 admits, even the other 5 capitals of communes in Kirundo Province do not have articles yet. For some reason a famous cat-stroking Wikipedian created 50 stubs for Populated places in Bubanza Province 16 years ago, mostly villages, then apparently petered out part-way into Buriri Province. As and when articles are created for more settlements in this province, the category may then be re-created when it becomes justifiable, but Template:Kirundo Province is sufficient and appropriate for navigational needs at the moment; I have added Vumbi into it. – Fayenatic London 12:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per Aymatth2. And populate..♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kirundo Province has more people than Alaska, which has at least 148 populated places. If Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province is deleted, and then a new editor decides to create articles for some of the places in the province, they will likely try to recreate the category. They will see a big red warning saying the Wikipedia community has decided there should not be such a category. I would just go ahead and recreate it anyway, but a newbie may be discouraged. That is the last thing we want to happen for an area which is so poorly covered. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Seven articles as of relisting.
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Category:Rock, Rock, Rock![edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:Rock, Rock, Rock!
Category:Tracker musicians[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23#Category:Tracker musicians
June 14[edit]
Category:Jesuit musicians[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 22#Category:Jesuit musicians
Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) franchise owners[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Parent categories use the word team, not franchise: Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) teams, Category:Women's cricket teams in India, Category:Cricket teams in India, Category:Women's cricket teams Gjs238 (talk) 12:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It should be franchise owners, as the member pagers are franchise owners rather than team owners. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw proposal as per Vestrian24Bio. Gjs238 (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cricket organizations[edit]
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Category:Military operations of the War of 1812[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging Category:Military operations of the War of 1812 to Category:War of 1812
- Nominator's rationale: 2 C, 0 P. WP:NARROWCAT. Both children are already in parent trees, or not all items in them involved Canada or the UK. NLeeuw (talk) 09:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:War of 1812 on the National Register of Historic Places[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Just delete, it is already in the trees of its parents. NLeeuw (talk) 09:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Washington, D.C., in the War of 1812[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, which is already in the trees of the other parents. NLeeuw (talk) 09:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, which is already in other parent. NLeeuw (talk) 09:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Presidents General of the General Society of the War of 1812[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Target might not be viable either? NLeeuw (talk) 09:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Right, the target may be upmerged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aight, we'll make it a follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 06:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 22#Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada
Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 22#Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if
Bengali–Assamese script[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 22#Bengali–Assamese script
June 13[edit]
Category:Military regiments raised in Nova Scotia[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, no parent category:Military regiments exists. Mason (talk) 23:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but this will require purging too. For example, North Nova Scotia Highlanders is a military unit of Canada, not of Nova Scotia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mexican engineer stubs[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mexican engineer stubs to Category:Engineer stubs and Category:Mexican scientist stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category with no evidence of approval by Category:WikiProject Stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just anybody to create on a whim, and require a minimum of 60 articles for entry -- but even after deep-scanning the Category:Mexican people stubs parent for any missed engineers, this still only has 17 articles in it.
The stub template is fine, since it can always just sort articles into the target categories, but there would have to be at least 43 more articles before a dedicated category was warranted. Bearcat (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Muwahhidism[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting
- Nominator's rationale: I propose the deletion of these categories because they make no sense. Muwahiddism isn't a separate branch (like Sunni, Shia, Ibadi, Ahmadi, Quranism), it's not a fiqh school (like Hanafi/Shafii/Maliki/Hanbali divide among Sunnis), it's not an aqeeda school (like Athari/Maturidi/Ashari divide among Sunnis or Usuli/Akhbari divide among Twelver Shia) or anything.
Anyone who considers himself a Muslim (no matter what school he follows) considers himself a muwahhid (موحِّد) which means "a monotheist" in Arabic, literally a follower of tawhid (توحيد), monotheism, the central concept of Islam. It's just a term which is more often used as a self-description by Sunni Salafis to highlight their purism in contrast to anyone else (for example, Sufis have a practice of visiting graves of their sheikhs, Salafis see this act as a departure from the concept of tawhid in Islam. Although Sufis don't consider it as a violation of tawhid, they still see themselves as muwahhideen (monotheists). But anyone who claims to follow Islam, he by definition considers himself a muwahhid regardless). That's it. It's not a separate branch of Islam. It's just a "label" or a "trademark", so to speak. These categories are excessive and absolutely uncalled for. Sorry for bad formatting, by the way (I'm editing off my phone). Fixmaster (talk) 19:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, both articles in the tree are about Salafis and already categorized as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Socialist film directors[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, intersection of unrelated characteristics. A few of these articles may be moved to a Category:Victims of McCarthyism, but that would be a very different discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian flour millers and merchants[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 21#Category:Australian flour millers and merchants
Category:Australian commercial artists[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 21#Category:Australian commercial artists
Category:Australian bigamists[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Australian bigamists to Category:Bigamists
- Nominator's rationale: There's no need to diffuse this category by nationality. Mason (talk) 02:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian event managers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian event managers to Category:Australian event planners
- Nominator's rationale: I'm on the fence about speedying this category, however, I'm not 100% sure that I've correctly mapped this category to the right parent of event planning. Mason (talk) 02:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Australian metal workers[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian metal workers to Category:Australian metalworkers
- Nominator's rationale: There are three ways this category can be handled. Either rename this to match the parent category of Metalworkers, merge to Australian metalsmiths or rename to reflect that the intent of this category Metal manufacturing companies of Australia. Mason (talk) 02:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Artesian people[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts talk 05:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining for the only person in the category Maximilien Robespierre Mason (talk) 02:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Who were the Artesian people? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just for info, they are people from Artois (but I am not certain if Artesian is correct English). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 21#Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories
Category:Romans from Africa[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 21#Category:Romans from Africa
Category:Australian newspaper proprietors[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 21#Category:Australian newspaper proprietors
Category:Australian leather merchants[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Australian leather merchants to Category:Australian merchants
- Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse merchants by whether they sell leather? Mason (talk) 01:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Like steel merchants, corn merchants, ship merchants, drapers and stockbrokers, it's a specialized trade. Doug butler (talk) 02:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to both the proposed target and appropriate subcategories of Category:Leather manufacturers or Category:Tanners. An odd category without a nonexistent main article and no others like it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug butler Please make sure to have non-Australian parent categories, when you create similar categories. Mason (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I try. Doug butler (talk) 04:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug butler Please make sure to have non-Australian parent categories, when you create similar categories. Mason (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Merge to Category:LaundryPizza03.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)- @Marcocapelle: Is this a mistake? What category did you intend? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- A pretty big mistake indeed. Merge per LaundryPizza03, is what was intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- 😂😂😂😂 Mason (talk) 23:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- LOL didn't know LaundryPizza's activities included being an Australian leather merchant! NLeeuw (talk) 19:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- 😂😂😂😂 Mason (talk) 23:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- A pretty big mistake indeed. Merge per LaundryPizza03, is what was intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Is this a mistake? What category did you intend? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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