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How can I update the map?[edit]

I wish to update the map, in the image and in the other section when updates happen. I know for Example, multiple Chin towns have been captured and the situation is changed. How can I update it? UnJapóLliure (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I ain't too sure on how to update the map, but one of the editors of the map, @EmeraldRange, stated that "The actual editing usually requires using some vector software for this civil war map- I use Inkscape." IdioticAnarchist (talk) 13:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map edits (May)[edit]

Like April, here's a list of map edits for May (along with some nitpicks. I don't mean to be "that girl" and be like "um this tiny unnoticable area on the map is wrong" but I'm just trying to show issues that I see on the map the best I can) also sorry this is lesser quality than the last list, I'm tired.

Nitpicks: (suggestions)

  • Ann is not currently contested, as no fighting is currently occurring inside the town.
  • I question why the new map shows Tanintharyi (south of Dawei) as cut off from the rest of the region by Karen forces?
  • Maungdaw, from what I know, is not currently contested.
  • This source (https://cnimyanmar.com/index.php/english-edition/21852-battle-breaks-out-between-zra-and-cna-in-tedim) says nothing about ZRA activity in Tedim town, only ZRA activity along the "Myanmar-Mizoram trade route" and in Laithwee village.

Indisputable Edits:

Disputable Edits:

Very Disputable Edits: (needs more research or has articles disputing it, but good to note)

IdioticAnarchist (talk) 23:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again! Added a lot to the map. The ones i cant add are:
Maungdaw is indeed contested, AA has entered the outskirts. https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/arakan-army-launches-battle-for-control-of-myanmars-border-with-bangladesh.html
I cant locate the Nam Byu base but its approximately 12 miles southwest of Danai, which is currently marked as KIA control anyways
About Myawaddy, in the article it says that the BGF militia controls the city and the BGF is allied with the junta.
Cant find where Monghtar is
Once again, cant add a new faction (UNLFWSEA ) MrBLOCKiron (talk) 14:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The map is looking great! Thanks for the edits!
  • Monghtar is also known as Mong Hta (as shown on the burmalibrary map)
  • With the Border Guard forces, I believe that they should be added to the map when they are notable enough. Both the KNA and NDA-K act independently of the junta, and do control territory. They act somewhat similar to the Pa'O National Army on the map, considering junta forces are still widely stationed in the Pa'O Self-Administered Zone and fight alongside the PNA, yet it is still shown as PNA control. Another editor stated that the map shows the de facto situation, not the de jure. De jure the junta controls Myawaddy, de facto there's only around 200 junta soldiers stationed in Myawaddy, while over 1,000 KNA soldiers are.
  • Not meaning to nitpick, again, but Shwe Kokko is still shown as controlled by KNLA, not KNA. Also, Mong Pan is still shown as contested when it isn't.
Anyway, yet again, thanks for the edits! I'm happy to help! IdioticAnarchist (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the new factions! Finally after I said I'd do it like over a month ago lol. I decided to add the disputable edits insofar as including Chen Hoyat since it was close to the other UNLFWESEA controlled areas anyways. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 01:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks amazing! Don't worry about the long wait time, I get that people have lives outside of editing Wikipedia. Now we're onto 21 colours on the map lol! Anyway, like I said, it looks great, and thanks for the edits! IdioticAnarchist (talk) 02:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh hey, totally missed the Mong pan comment- updated that too + moved the SSPP presence to Mong Pawn based on the prior discussion. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 03:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if enough changes in the next week or so for it to be notable enough to add that Kyaikdon captured https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-military-commanders-replaced-in-rakhine-mon-and-karen-states-sources.html, Tedim and Hsi Hseng contested, and I don't think the situation with the SSPP has changed at all (i.e its old borders are needed) considering SSPP has not declared war on or fought the junta any time in the past few months, so the borders have not changed since the pre-17 March map, if that makes sense. SSPP/SSA has no territory near Mongpan or Mongpawn. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 20:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found more areas controlled by Indian EAOs[edit]

"Pounyu village and Woilan Kingphu village" in Lahe township near New Pangsha village https://morungexpress.com/general-store-at-itc-dan-a-lifeline-for-naga-villages-under-myanmar

Also PDF forces have a presence along the Hkamti-Lahe road IdioticAnarchist (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Likely coords for those villages are: ပုံညိုရွာ၊ လဟယ်မြို့နယ် [my] and ဝေလံရွာ၊ လဟယ်မြို့နယ် [my]- with Wailan being in Ponyu village tract. I've included these and Chen Hoyat in UNFLWESEA's control on the new map. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 01:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where is Pounyu, Woilan, and Chen Hoyat on the map? It appears that Pounya and Woilan are in Lahe Township, while the map only shows IIG (Indian Insurgent Group) territory in Layshi? Also, I don't think I've found a map of Chen Hoyat so I don't know where it is, but I may have just forgotten considering I have pretty bad memory. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 20:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, using Google Earth I've found the location of both Chen Hoyat and Chen Throilo (which I've seen mentioned in several articles) and both are in Lahe Township near Pounyu and Woilan, which is not shown on the map. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah thats my bad I confused the border squiggle with the wrong squiggle. You can get the locations of Ponyu and Wailan on the burmese articles I linked.
I can probably update the map again later tonight-
1) What's the change with Tedim, just that it's contested?
2) I think I agree with Hsi Hseng contested- but you wanted hold off. Still disagree right? EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 23:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say that putting Hsi Hseng as contested is right; and yes, Tedim is contested. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 23:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very sorry, I completely forgot to mention this, but apparently the DKBA-5 controls the Three Pagodas Pass https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/chinese-telecom-scammers-expand-operations-three-pagoda-pass and the KNLA de facto control most of Payathonzu https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/knu-consolidates-full-control-over-three-pagodas-pass-payathonzu-area-administration-spite (and a few months ago Kyaikdon was captured by KNLA forces https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-military-commanders-replaced-in-rakhine-mon-and-karen-states-sources.html) IdioticAnarchist (talk) 01:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map suggestion[edit]

I heard that Hsi Hseng, a town in Southern Shan State has been recaptured by SAC forces. They’re even preparing to rebuild that town.This news is from SAC owned channel which is kinda unreliable.

https://www.myanmaritv.com/news/coordination-meeting-matters-rehabilitation-works-hsi-hseng-discussed

The source that mentioned SAC recaptured of Hsi Hseng.

https://english.shannews.org/archives/27099

https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/myanmar-military-allies-retakes-town-captured-by-pa-o-karenni-forces/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjA0prvyLWGAxX0yjgGHTQnC9wQr4kDegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1bw-P4FvZDq3VEW7YlanJB

It’s okay, even if you don’t believe me since I am a new to here but at least Hsi Hseng should be on contesting list because recently(past months) SAC reinforced troops and tanks into Southern Shan State.

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-junta-reinforcements-spark-heavy-attacks.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjA0prvyLWGAxX0yjgGHTQnC9wQr4kDegQIXBAB&usg=AOvVaw1bVrt-jUR__gXq7mOH_U3N

https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/they-are-preparing-for-war-forced-recruiting-by-pa-o-militia-in-shan/

Thuta611 (talk) 13:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

source necessary EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 14:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was adding it my hand accidentally touch the “post” buttom T-T. Thuta611 (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good- no worries man! Make sure you add to the actual article as well. For the maps though, we tend to update them every month roughly. I think depending on what happens in the next week it might be worth updating for this + Tedim and some changes. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 20:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are some pretty good sources outside of the Myanmaritv and frontiermyanmar ones considering they only talk about Hsi Hseng Township, not the town itself. I do believe that Hsi Hseng should at least be shown as contested, considering the fighting is ongoing in, or at least near the town. I'm not sure whether the retreat of PNLA forces was temporary; but considering several sources still claim the town is under control of the PNLA I will treat it as such. Good suggestion! IdioticAnarchist (talk) 19:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The map colors for “Arakan Army” and “Indian Insurgent Groups” need to be differentiated[edit]

They look so similar that they’re almost the same color; I can’t tell which parts of the map are controlled by which entity. LordOfWalruses (talk) 20:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need some help with this source about Border Guard Forces (+NDA-K areas)[edit]

https://mmpeacemonitor.org/313251/border-guard-force-scheme/
This source includes the actual areas controlled by Border Guard Forces, not just their townships. Most of these are self-explanatory and I can find them on maps, but there's areas noted that I'm gonna suppose are smaller towns that I cannot find. These include:

If anyone knows at least a bit of Burmese, can you perhaps give a little help here?

Also, apparently the New Democratic Army - Kachin controls Tsawlaw https://asiafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Militias-in-Myanmar.pdf the "Sidone" area of Waingmaw https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/divide-and-rule-in-kachin-state/ and maybe Hpimaw and Kambaiti (which might be referring to the Pass https://geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-614015&fid=687&c=burma) https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/pro-govt-militias-fueling-drugs-crisis-northern-burma-report.htmlIdioticAnarchist (talk) 02:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mon and PDF Resistance control along the Union Highway[edit]

"The Mon State Revolutionary Force and allies have managed to secure control over a section of the Union Highway running from southern Ye Township to Yebyu Township in Tanintharyi Region." https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/a-fledgling-mon-resistance-spreads-its-wings/
And PDF https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/intense-battle-junta-over-control-ye-dawei-road IdioticAnarchist (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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