Talk:2021 United Kingdom census

Correcting Sentence

Not sure what the sentence is meant to mean, but it doesnt make sense and needs to be corrected.

" Under the Census Act 1920, it is for the United Kingdom Government and Parliament to determine whether the 2021 Census for England and Wales. "

Whether the 2011 census what? Bgresh (talk) 13:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Y Done. used words from citation to clarify, Simples. Thanks! Tmol42 (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Scotland

This article should not be called "2021 United Kingdom census" - it should be called "2021 census in England, Northern Ireland and Wales" or similar. All the Scotland-related elements should be removed (except perhaps a cursory reference) to a separate page called "2022 census in Scotland" or similar. (I note that the page on the Irish census of 2011 is called "Census of Ireland 2011" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Ireland_2011).)

The fact that the 3 UK censuses were originally intended to be held in 2021 is irrelevant - they are not now being so.

The page on the 2021 London mayoral election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_London_mayoral_election) isn't still called 2020 London mayoral election, even though that's what it originally was. Kennethmac2000 (talk) 13:16, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Agree. Cwmcafit (talk) 18:49, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Disagree. It's a UK-wide census, just because Scotland decided to move it to 2022, that doesn't mean we have to make a separate article. LAst time I checked, Scotland is still part of the UK. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:16, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

However, I would support a move to 2021 and 2022 United Kingdom census, as per ONS. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Joseph2302. As I think it makes sense to clarify the Scotland issue before census day in the rest of the UK, as their may be some disagreement about whether this is a page for a past or future event after that point, I will move the article to his suggested name on Saturday evening if their are no objections before then. Llewee (talk) 21:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Legal challenge

The legal challenge to the "what is your sex" question affects England, Wales & Northern Ireland as per [1], [2]. So surely it should be in a separate section, rather than in the England and Wales section? Joseph2302 (talk) 21:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

This is quite complicated. I thought it was only England and Wales because it only mentioned ONS and not NISRA, and does the High Court in England and Wales have administration over NI? But seeing this I now agree with you [3], it should be moved to the main section and say that it applies to England, Wales and Northern Ireland. ONS and the NISRA are almost identical.Cwmcafit (talk) 12:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 19 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: There is no consensus what title to use. Editors do not agree, and have not mustered conclusive evidence, which title is the WP:COMMONNAME and/or otherwise meets the article title criteria. !Votes are split evenly between support and oppose. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

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2021 United Kingdom census → 2021 and 2022 United Kingdom census – In Scotland, it is being held in 2022, whereas in the rest of the UK, it's in 2021. It is therefore the same census, but just held in different years. Note that the ONS now uses 2021 and 2022. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:35, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

• Moved to 2021–2022 United Kingdom census as it clears that the article needs MOS:ENDASH. 36.77.74.149 (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• I've commented my view on the matter in a previous discussion but I'll also note my agreement with Joseph2302 here for clarity. I won't go ahead moving it like I suggested as a formal discussion has been opened but maintaining my belief as outlined above that it is in best interests of the article to sort this issue out sooner rather than later I will publicise the discussion in relevant places. Llewee (talk) 22:17, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and per the UK government official webpages, although I would support 2021 England, Wales and Northern Ireland censuses - plural as there are two occurring in 2021: one for England and Wales run by the ONS,[4] and another for Northern Ireland run by the NISRA[5]. The one in Scotland, due for 2022, is run by the NRS.[6] -- DeFacto (talk). 23:22, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now Even though Scotland will held its Census in 2022, it is still under the same name. Similarly, some sporting events, such as the 2020 Summer Olympics and UEFA EURO 2020, will be held in 2021 but keep the branding name 2020. It's unclear whether these events should be held in 2022 instead, after the pandemic, and not this year. But that is not upon us to decide. However, I believe it would be correct to move the article to the 2021–2022 United Kingdom census at some point in future, perhaps in 2022-23. --FakTNeviM (talk) 14:23, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support. The branding all over the official website is "Scotland's Census 2022", recent usage in media seems about evenly split between 2021 and 2022 (and obviously uses from before it was postponed are not useful). Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support. It makes sense to me that the page should be moved as the census is being held in two parts across both years in various parts of the country. This would come under "precision" from the Article Title Policy I believe. Typhlosionator (talk) 11:42, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. If the official name is this proposed name, set up a redir, but this less concise title has nothing to recommend it in terms of naming policy... this has nothing to do with precision as we use the term, just personal opinions as to what is correct. UK census and similar pages are the ways in which people will and should find this page. Andrewa (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
  • It's a census being held in 2021 and 2022, so this is nothing to do with WP:OFFICIALNAME, but just seems like common sense to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
    • I didn't say it was, just asking the question. In that case there may still be other reasons for the redirect. Or not. It just seems like common sense to me might be a reason for a redirect. But it doesn't of itself justify a move. Andrewa (talk) 01:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now per FakTNeviM, too early to change. Greg (talk) 16:26, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support and we should have individual articles for each of the nations' censuses (2021 England Census, 2022 Scotland Census, 2021 Wales Census etc. etc.). -- Abbasi786786 (talk) 18:21, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support, however completely oppose the idea of separate census articles for England, Scotland, Wales etc as suggested by above editor. It would be unnecessary fragmentation. The unique circumstances of the 2022 census in Scotland can be explained in the main article. Elshad (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per faktnevim and WP:COMMONNAME. The majority of sources simply call it the 2021 census, and no sources have been presented to justify the proposed name. If reliable sources indicate that the census name has been modified then so be it, but we shouldn't make that decision as original research. Also, even in Scotland, their website informs us that "The 2021 census in Scotland was moved to 2022"[7] suggesting it's still basically the 2021 event, just postponed for a year.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support. The name of the census in Scotland has been changed to Scotland's Census 2022: https://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/2022. I can't find other Wikipedia articles on censuses that use the year they were originally planned for rather than the year they took place in the title. 90.246.199.188 (talk) 07:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
• See also https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/censustransformationprogramme/legislationandpolicy/conductofthe2021and2022censusesintheuk. 90.246.199.188 (talk) 07:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Confusing

I've tagged the article as confusing, because it has sections on Northern Ireland and Scotland but not England and Wales, and it's unclear which parts of the "Background" section are about the whole of the UK and which parts only apply to England and Wales. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:57, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Results section

In the 'Results' section a Professor Biggs, on Muslim transgender sexual orientation statistics is quoted as follows: "I’m 99 per cent sure that misinterpretation has had a significant impact in inflating the numbers."

I wryly note that the 'Results' section suffers a very similar problem given that 1/3 of it deals with transgender issues when only 0.5% of the population identify as such.

Do we really need his opinion and the ONS reply etc. to it instead of just quoting the figures? The phrase 'undue weight' springs to mind... 88.110.216.57 (talk) 16:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

There has been a fair amount of news coverage of this aspect, and I am inclined to leave the details in the article. Sweet6970 (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)