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The result was speedy delete‎ by User:Galobtter as a WP:G5 creation by a blocked or banned user. RL0919 (talk) 14:47, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Ahsan Ullah Chaudhary

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This is a recreation of speedily-deleted item Ahsan Ullah Chaudhary. Although this item does make a substantive claim of notability, all of the references are either dead links or pages that do not mention the subject. See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sazmancrpo. Bovlb (talk) 17:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Broze, Chitral

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If this is a town, it should meet WP:NPLACE. However, I could not find sources to prove it, and the sources originally added did not mention it. The creator has been banned. Boleyn (talk) 12:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. signed, Rosguill talk 04:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Babar Ahmed (director)

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He doesn't have any significant reliable coverage. The coverage that exists is mostly very minor. He isn't notable according to Wikipedia guidelines. Dravoon (talk) 21:51, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 22:10, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Laspur

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Landform with no evidence of notability. Almost entirely unsourced since its creation in 2014, now only being maintained by sockpuppets. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep After reverting the most recent sock addition, I have discovered that the article is supposed to be about a town, which presumptively meets WP:GNG. I recommend using WP:ECP to prevent socks from editing the page. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above.  samee  converse  18:08, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per LaundryPizza03. I've edited this article; one of the sources is a permanent dead link, but the other actually supports some of the content in the page. The sockpuppetry is certainly tedious in the extreme, but not a valid reason for deletion; the protection applied by Daniel Case should help to limit that. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Did some looking and found an archived link by the National Reconstruction Bureau (NRB), Government of Pakistan that still works and replaces the 'permanent dead link' mentioned above. I have already added this link to this article. Since it's an archived link, hopefully it won't go dead on us...Ngrewal1 (talk) 17:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Though not altogether convinced Laspur is the name of the town — the sources in the article only confirm it's a council area. Think the village/town is called Sor Laspur, with Laspur being the name of a valley and river as well as the council. Still, the article could cover all these and Sor Laspur appears to be a legally recognised populated place under WP:GEOLAND.
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The result was delete‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nasir Zaman

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Doesn't meet WP:FILMMAKER. Most of the references are borderline WP:REFBOMBING which doesn't prove notability or support the text; for instance, "He is well known for directing the Punjabi comedy film Carry On Jatta 3." is only semi-supported by the seventh reference, which isn't an independent source. Deauthorized. (talk) 09:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete At present, none of the RSes provide significant coverage, and many of the sources are unreliable. Two sources provide more significant coverage, but I question their reliability. I've googled Zaman and didn't come across any better sources, but there may be some in Punjabi. Significa liberdade (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment:I want to express my opinion This user User:Significa liberdade seems to have some deep conflict and problem with this article. He tampered with this page twice before so I reverted him I also said that removing all references to a page is equivalent to destroying it. Even after stopping a user once, he was repeatedly and causing vandalism. I have been watching for a long time that this user User:Significa liberdade fighting a personal battle As an editor of Wikipedia, I refuse to accept its opinions. And I have a request to any Wikipedia administrator to check all its edit He is busy getting many articles deleted and fighting his personal battles. Zimidar (talk) 08:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: I am on New Page Patrol and have "tampered" with the article to help it meet Wikipedia's standards. I'm happy to have any administrator review my actions, though. (she/her, by the way) Significa liberdade (talk) 13:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Keep Nasir Zaman is considered as one of the best and famous Director, producer of Pakistan, Even after reaching the heights of fame, he still meets common people as if he is not a popular star. He has got coverage in many Indian news. He announced his career in 2021 And also has many of his projects, upcoming.The Indian ExpressTimes Of IndiaOutlook IndiaUniversal CinemasCinemaQatardajiworld Still there has been a of Indian and and Pakistani News Site coverage about him, Mostly you will see names associated with other actresses in their coverage.ZeeFilmNews18FreePressJournalianLiveMedeberyaa Because in every project he works together with the entire team as a director, producer or actor. Famous Indian actor Aamir Khan took his his name during the movie promotion of Carry On Jatta 3. and praised his work. I find it difficult to assess the reliability of Pakistani sources and we don't appear to have a WP:RSN page for the country. However, there does appear to be in-depth coverage in sources which I assess as probably reliable, covering multiple events / aspects of this WP:BLP. Keep, monitor for neutrality and overdetail. Zimidar (talk) 09:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: None of the sources provided above provide significant coverage of Nasir Zaman. Significa liberdade (talk) 13:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Despite the plethora of sources being thrown around, they all appear to either grossly fail WP:SIGCOV or act as a functional database entry showing actor, director, and producer credits for a film - neither of which support notability. As an example, the FreePressJournal source mentions Zaman a single time to credit him for directing the film Maujaan Hi Maujaan. The remainder of the article is an interview with an actor. I cannot seem to find anything online searching myself, but as Significa liberdade commented, it's possible sources may exist in another language. —Sirdog (talk) 04:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As said above, doesn't meet WP:FILMMAKER. Most of the references are film reviews not specifically about the subject, cinema showing times (I'm not sure I've seen that before) or are primary sources. I think there was one (?) secondary source. One of the links was so riddled with spam my phone sent me a dangerous link warning. For now, the subject isn't notable. Knitsey (talk) 05:02, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. This was a tough one; my hat is off to @Liz: for keeping it running this long. Views expressed here are passionate, and seem evenly divided. But upon closer inspection, almost all the "Keep" !votes rely on irrelevant reasons. Yes, the guy certainly exists, as is supported by a plethora of reliable sources, and I'm sure he is very popular. But none of that counters the basic problem of WP:1E. At this point, the man has not achieved notability that is independent from that one event. Owen× ☎ 23:15, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arshad Khan (Chaiwala)

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A non-notable tea seller, looks like the creator is just advertising about the new Cafe started by the subject. I think, one person is getting viral everyday but this does not help them to be Notable. Hence, fails WP:GNG. Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 14:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Strong Keep: He is not among people notable for only one event. He went viral by chance then he became a professional model for brands, he did music videos as a model, and now he opens a cafe. On his every achievement, he has good media coverage. So, WP:IE does not apply here. Pakistani and international media cover him. Even Indian news sources which are RS, cover him.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 06:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Liz: Most of the Keeps are votes without substantial reasoning.
  • 1 listed by Oaktree is just a story on WP:1E event. The famous chaiwala might be from Afghanistan. (Bold is 1E, Italics is the coverage).
  • While there may have been significant coverage on the subject, but it is still WP:SIGCOV of WP:1E
  • is a very popular person is WP:STRAWMAN argument.
  • If he is a professional model (and went viral by chance), the WP:RS should mention as such, instead of building story on the WP:1E event (as shown above).
Therefore, there is no substantial keep. Thanks, User4edits (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete: When every source goes, "Hey, remember that guy whose photo went viral? Here's what he's doing now!" it's overwhelmingly WP:1E. Modeling and owning cafes aren't typically notable and the few media stories that cover his activities only exist because of the single event. Agree with the editor above that the keep votes are mostly non-arguments; see WP:POPULARITY and WP:FAME. Uhai (talk) 21:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. 13 reliable publications from 5 different countries are there to meet Basic. I am pretty sure that 13 reliable publications from 5 different countries are not in Arshad's pocket to promote him or get him a Wikipedia article! Clear case of Sigcov. Okoslavia (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    In the light of WP:PRIMARYNEWS, what, if any, of those 13 sources are secondary sources? From WP:BASIC: Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    No one here is alleging this is promotion and your argument doesn't address the concern of WP:1E. There can exist many reliable sources and it can still be 1E. Uhai (talk) 23:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete- It is not that this person cannot be notable. Models can be notable, and notability might be achieved for other reasons too. The problem here is it is WP:TOOSOON to say whether this person will be notable or just a 1E footnote. There are 13 sources in the article, which the better keep arguments have addressed. One of them is the BBC. However, no attention has been given to the fact that these are primary sources (see WP:PRIMARYNEWS) They are news reports about someone becoming a model because of a photograph. Whether you class that as events or human interest stories, these are primary. These do not count towards notability. There have been a string of keep votes that are not based in policy, but the policy reasons for keep have argued notability. Sourcing does not back up those arguments. Fails WP:GNG. Again, this may just be TOOSOON. Deletion now should be without prejudice to re-creation of the article in the future if secondary sources clearly establish notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mula Sant

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Fails WP:GNG. Article has no sources and a WP:BEFORE search turned up 0 results about this topic. Clearly not notable, fails WP:BLPNOTE. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:38, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of programs broadcast by TV One (Pakistan)#Drama series. Liz Read! Talk! 23:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anjaane Nagar

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No WP:SIGCOV, all the references are about Haseena Moin. Fails WP:GNG ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 15:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 09:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aina Asif

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Maliner (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tariq Masood

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I came here via a blocked promotional sock account which also edited this one. The article was PRODded before, by User:Onel5969. The BLP is at best a BLP1E, and even that is sketchy because there just is no reliable secondary sourcing to support a claim to notability. Drmies (talk) 22:01, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Individual is quite notable. Keep this page up... Ah507 (talk) 20:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete No reliable source available to claim that the subject is notable, Just a YouTuber. He has some coverage after the tongue-controversy with another YouTuber Muhammad Ali Mirza and about other religion. The subject having no proof of being a lecturer at the seminary. He is just known for having 4 wives, and not notable, thus agrees with the Nominator. Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 14:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    While it is true that he is primarily known as a YouTuber, we cannot disregard the impact and influence he has had within the online religious discourse. His notable controversies and debates with figures like Muhammad Ali Mirza have garnered significant attention and discussion within the relevant communities. Ainty Painty (talk) 10:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ainty Painty He has no influence in my view, and if he is an influencer then also, he is not passing the notability criteria. Some websites covered the mouth-fight of Mirza and Masood, this cannot make an individual notable. I really recognize your contributions, but he isn't notable. Thanks Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 10:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not a shred of notability. Created for promotional purpose. Fails WP:GNG. Maliner (talk) 16:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Agrees with the Nominators view and comment, also at first glance it seems more promotional content. and failed in WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrjoegoldberg (talk • contribs)
  • Comment @Maliner and @Mrjoegoldberg The criticism of being a "promotional" page should be addressed with improvements in the article's neutrality, rather than outright deletion. Mufti Tariq Masood's work has been influential in shaping discussions on religion and theology in the digital era. Ainty Painty (talk) 10:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. If desired, a merger discussion can continue on the Talk, but there's no clear consensus here for anything after nearly a month. Star Mississippi 04:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Azad Kashmir bus incident

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A terrible accident but not an encyclopedically notable event. All of the coverage is at-the-time news coverage of the incident. No apparent lasting coverage (link fixed) or effects. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Pakistan. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Coverage and verifiability are more important here. WP:LASTING (which is what I assume you meant) seems more like it's one type of possible proof of notability and not disproof of notability. -- Primium (talk) 02:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Simply being covered in the news at the time something occurs is insufficient to meet notability standards. WP:N says that "Notable topics have attracted attention over a sufficiently significant period of time"; this incident fails that as all the coverage was directly following the event, with no evidence of any after-the-fact coverage. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Those are indicators of notability, but the general notability guideline is simply "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." -- Primium (talk) 16:42, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. A crash that killed 23 people would be considered notable anywhere in the western world, so no reason it shouldn't be in Asia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Fails WP:NOTNEWS. No indication of WP:SUSTAINED coverage to pass WP:EVENTCRIT which states Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. Unlike what others stated, routine bus accidents in the West where many people die don't usually get their own wikipedia article unless they have some sort of broad and lasting impact such as WP:LASTING and WP:GEOSCOPE, or if the sourcing is unusually in-depth and of lasting duration per WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:DIVERSE. We have many such accidents in the USA that don't have encyclopedic coverage on wikipedia for the simple fact that they aren't all that remarkable because vehicular accidents with many fatalities are sadly not that unusual. In order to demonstrate that a particular motor vehicle accident is encyclopedic there must be sustained coverage which extends beyond the news cycle.4meter4 (talk) 16:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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That's not a policy based argument. WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments are listed as arguments to avoid at AFD. It's possible those articles also may not meet our notability guidelines. In this case no evidence has been put forward that this particular accident passes WP:EVENTCRIT which is policy.4meter4 (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was waiting for someone to throw WP:OTHERSTUFF at me. Outright dismissal of any argument aiming for some geographic consistency in what we consider to be notable events is a rather superficial counter-argument. Indeed, the essay you cited says: "countering the keep or delete arguments of other people, or dismissing them outright, by simply referring them to this essay is not encouraged". But to cite some policy/guideline: I will point out that the coverage here is diverse and nation-wide, and provoked reactions from the state-wide authorities, far beyond the "routine" local coverage that EVENTCRIT refers to. I would argue that this is more than sufficient to pass criterion #2 of that guideline. "Routine coverage", in the way that EVENTCRIT uses it, would apply to passenger car accidents, not major public transportation disasters. Sjakkalle (Check!) 18:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Than make that argument with evidence by presenting the sources you believe meet the policy standard. The only way we can operate at AFD is by relying on policies developed through wide community input and consensus. I personally disagree with the claim you made above simply because the cited references do not meet any of the WP:EVENTCRIT criteria in regards to WP:DIVERSE or WP:SUSTAINED and the sources, while national, do not extend beyond the news coverage of the event as required by EVENTCRIT. (see bolded language quoted directly from policy in my comment above). We need other kinds of sources such as books, journal articles, etc. that are WP:NOTNEWS to pass DIVERSE and EVENTCRIT. Or we need coverage of the event over a lengthy period of time (as in a minimum of a year or longer). If all you have is media in the short window right after the event happened, than I'm sorry that is not DIVERSE and it is not SUSTAINED and it is exactly why WP:NOTNEWS was written. Particularly for a routine tragic events like a bus accident we need to see long-term coverage to prove notability. Wikipedia has a lagging indicator of notability written into our policies for a reason.4meter4 (talk) 21:07, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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●Keep It passes GNG & Rename per @Necrothesp to 2021 Pallandri bus accident "Incident" sounds Wierd. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 01:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Doesn't appear to have had much of an impact like the Saskatchewan bus accident in Canada did, where they now mandate seat belts on all new buses. This appears to have happened, and just faded away into obscurity. Not that it isn't tragic, but nothing seems to have resulted from it that would warrant an article. Oaktree b (talk) 15:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was convert to index‎. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:19, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sagoo

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The notability of this topic is very doubtful. The only cited source lists "saggu" among two dozen other sub-groups of the Ramgarhia sikhs, with no further detail. The external links provide no information about this topic that I can see, and I am unable to find any reliable sources covering the topic. I see no support in RS for the interchangeability with "sagoo", nor do I see any evidence that people with this surname actually belong to this clan. The single piece of sourced info is logically covered in the Ramgarhia article. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:26, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Delete or convert to a surname page?
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Relisting comment: Relisting as opinion is divided between Deletion and Converting to a surname page. As an aside, I do not know what is involved is such a conversion so if the consensus goes that way, I will leave it to another admin to close this discussion.
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 07:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yusuf Khel

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PROD'd (not by me) with the following rationale: "Unsourced and one single colonial era source was added that I removed and there is no enough sources for the topic to add. It showed that the topic of the article is non notable topic. Good faith"

De-PROD'd with the following edit summary: "This user is only targeting Pashtun related pages"

Coming upon this from the orphaned article category, I have no stake in that dispute and no idea whether that is accurate. I can say that I concur with the PROD rationale; I also found no non-Raj era sources. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 11:37, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comments:
  1. The person who proposed the article’s deletion has, in fact, “targeted” a number of poorly sourced articles about Pashtun tribes. That doesn’t mean they’re wrong.
  2. For more information on the person who removed the PROD tag, see:
—A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 15:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draft - I think the fairest thing to do here is to draftify. I see whispers in sources that it is a verifiable thing, but these tend to be mentions. It may well be a thing discussed in depth in Pashtun sources. I can't find them and unless someone else offers them, I'm not sure any of the rest of us are in a position to assess them. JMWt (talk) 08:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    We should not be draftifying articles that are over five years old. We also cannot simply assume that in-depth sourcing exists - we don't need the actual sources, but we need proof of their existence. Otherwise we would be forced to keep anything with potential for non-English sourcing, no matter how little actual indication there is of it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:07, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no refs found for Yusuf Khel as a tribe or caste. Multiple passing mentions for villages with this name in Afghanistan and Pakistan: [4], [5], [6], [7]
We could potentially edit this stub into a geographic stub with the same name but that seems a potentially confusing thing to do during an AfD - better to first delete this and then start one or two new stubs later if desired
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The result was no consensus‎. Liz Read! Talk! 20:20, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Umar Khel

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The article is completely unsourced and was formerly reliant on a single colonial-era source (WP:RAJ)as its primary reference. This article should be considered for deletion due to a lack of credible sources and failure to meet the general notability criteria WP:V. O chawal (talk) 07:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This source has several pages of information about a military conflict impacting the village where the Umar Khel live (the village is also named Umar Khel). The 2011 source also has brief coverage of a different military conflict involving the Umar Khel. This 2020 source lists them as an existing subdividsion of the Hotak Khel/Hassan Khel tribe and this 1983 source and this 2004 source list them as under the Nano Khel. The United States government geo located the tribe in this 1962 source, this 1922 source includes them, as does this 1914 source. The first source is really the only one with in-depth coverage, but I think that a verifiable people group is encyclopedic. Lastly I am fairly confident that significant coverage exists in J. A. Robinson (1978). Notes on Nomad Tribes of Eastern Afghanistan. Gosha-e-Adab. which is snippet view stated "Umar Khel . - 95 families which are nomadic and have no flocks or land , exist by trade between Kandahar and Dera Ismail Khan . They migrate with the Nasar..." That's all I could see but it appears there was more.4meter4 (talk) 16:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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