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Holy persons as article of faith (From shara page)
As can be seen in many examples, classification is relative. For example, believing in the existence and miracles of Awliya is presented as a "condition" for orthodox Islam by many prominent Sunni creed writers such as Al-Tahawi and Nasafi[1][2] and is accepted in traditional Sunnis and Shi'ism. However, this understanding, along with expressions of respect and visits to the graves of saints, are seen as unacceptable heresy by puritanical and revivalist Islamic movements such as Salafism, Wahhabism and Islamic Modernism.[3]
See also:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver_theology NGC 628 (talk) 11:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Not all but majority Muslims consider belief in prophets as article of faith, not miracles of Awliya. You are editing Islam article, not Twelver theology.
- And why do you always edit a non-consensus topic and add some original research that most people don't believe in like view of revisionist school and like.. Zsohl(Talk) 11:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- I believe that it is not the right behavior to base Islam on the definitions of a narrow group. Also, I would appreciate it if you included only the relevant topic in the discussion. That issue was discussed and finished. NGC 628 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- It is not based on definitions of narrow group. Aqidah and Iman (Islam) article explain all. So, take generality Zsohl(Talk) 11:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- I understand, but this is the form formulated for children receiving the simplest madrasa education of Islam. Real life involves variability and this article addresses a wide range of geography and people. NGC 628 (talk) 11:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Main article on aqidah is already there, Islam article explain articles of faith in short but concise. So on Islam article, keep it simple. Thanks Zsohl(Talk) 11:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- What was done here was just to provide a link, no details of the subject were gone into. It's simply as you said, and you took it back. NGC 628 (talk) 11:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think the discussion is over, if you have no objections I would like to bring back my contributions NGC 628 (talk) 12:13, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- What was done here was just to provide a link, no details of the subject were gone into. It's simply as you said, and you took it back. NGC 628 (talk) 11:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- Main article on aqidah is already there, Islam article explain articles of faith in short but concise. So on Islam article, keep it simple. Thanks Zsohl(Talk) 11:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- I understand, but this is the form formulated for children receiving the simplest madrasa education of Islam. Real life involves variability and this article addresses a wide range of geography and people. NGC 628 (talk) 11:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- It is not based on definitions of narrow group. Aqidah and Iman (Islam) article explain all. So, take generality Zsohl(Talk) 11:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- I believe that it is not the right behavior to base Islam on the definitions of a narrow group. Also, I would appreciate it if you included only the relevant topic in the discussion. That issue was discussed and finished. NGC 628 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- ^ Jonathan A. C. Brown, "Faithful Dissenters: Sunni Skepticism about the Miracles of Saints", Journal of Sufi Studies 1 (2012), p. 123
- ^ Christopher Taylor, In the Vicinity of the Righteous (Leiden: Brill, 1999), pp. 5–6
- ^ Heinrichs, Wolfhart; Bosworth, Clifford Edmund; van Donzel, Emeri Johannes; Bianquis, Thierry, eds. (2012). "Encyclopedia of Islam". Encyclopaedia of Islam. ISBN 978-90-04-16121-4.