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Happy Kalends of January

		Happy New Year!
		Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free and may Janus light your way. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Christine Leunens article - your banner "blatant undisclosed paid editing"

Hello, I just noticed your banner on top of the Christine Leunens article and read your comment:" No, this is definitely still required – the page has a long history of obvious WP:UPE, ands needs to be cleaned up/rewritten".

Could you please provide some background information on the following:

1) why are you assuming that I am being paid to edit this page, when I am not?

2) all information I have provided is supported by evidence available for anyone to see on the internet - none of it is hearsay or opinion or commissioned - please point out the information that have led you to make this statement.

3) Christine Leunens is a public figure - if you type her name on the internet, you'll see that there's plenty of news about her.

4) what do you mean with "article needs to be cleaned up, re-written" - please advise. Just naming and shaming isn't helpful.

I am more than happy to follow your guidance, if you're willing to give some. Again, I'm not being paid, not employed either, so not sure where you're coming from but I'm willing to do what needs to be done to get the banner removed.

Thank you JRfougnazal (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, JRfougnazal, but I'm unable to believe you when you say "I am not"; you might like to review Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, particularly this section. The evidence I have is private, so I can't discuss it with you. I would have blocked your account for violation of the WP:Terms of Use, but am no longer allowed to do so on the basis of private evidence alone. I've sent it to ArbCom, who no doubt will or will not take action as appropriate. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Justlettersandnumbers, appreciate your response. I may have done the same if I were you, but would have checked the source of the "private evidence" to ensure it is

a) from a verifiable source,

b) based on facts and not an opinion or hearsay or someone who has a vested interest in discrediting me, and finally

c) in accordance with the level of transparency required in this matter.

I wish you the best. JRfougnazal (talk) 05:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For sending me thanks for this contribution where I did nothing but correct my own mistake. Cyfal (talk) 10:18, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Cyfal, we all make mistakes, I more often than many others. It's good to see someone recognise and correct one (or indeed several!), but the thanks was also intended more generally for your work on typos and the lay/lie thing in particular – edits like this one. I don't have the patience for that kind of work, so I'm glad that some others do. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:27, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

List of United States cattle breeds

Hey mate, you said "this is a list of breeds, not cross-breeds with silly made-up names", but Brangus is a portmanteau hybrid of Brahman and Angus. I am not sure how Wangus is different, being a portmanteau hybrid of Wagyu and Angus. Thanks in advance for clearing this up! Enix150 (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Enix150. Yes, you're right, and there are indeed dozens of such portmanteau breed names, of which Brangus may be one of the oldest. The difference as I see it is that that is the name of an established breed, recognised and reported as such in the literature, while 'Wangus' is none of those things. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:08, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Schloss Fuschl

Hi, there was some more discussion on the Talk page for the Schloss Fuschl about our disagreement. I would be grateful if you would review the comments. One is by a friend of mine, but I asked him to reply with his honest opinion, even if he felt I was wrong. The other is from a stranger I contacted, whose name I frequently see on pages I also edit. There have been no comments by any other people, that's why I asked them to weigh in. I was also asked to notify you here that I'd like to open an official Wikipedia "Dispute Resolution," so we can get this resolved. It cannot be opened until I inform you here. Best, James Jamesluckard (talk) 07:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

OK, Jamesluckard, I'll look at it soon. Notification acknowledged. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Checking in on this, thanks! Jamesluckard (talk) 01:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry to keep bothering you, but I would like to respectfully request that we continue our discussion of this article on its talk page. I tried again to open a Dispute Resolution on this article yesterday, and was told by the moderators that I needed to contact you again first and attempt to continue our conversation on the article's talk page. Thank you! Jamesluckard (talk) 18:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

simple proposal for the Triennale of Milan, I hope

I did not want to debate the problems where with the initial entry for Triennale di Milano. My proposal is to split the topic into two entries: one reflecting the building (Palazzo dell'Arte, which along with the nearby steel tower, is another example of fascist architecture. The second independent topic is the "Triennial" itself. It is a design exhibit held every recurrently. Its offices are in that Palazzo dell'Arte. That palazzo now has a "permanent" exhibit on prior Triennials. I should be able to find enough reliable information on those two topics, also the latter should headline a category that captures the dozen or so entries about different Triennali. I will try to leave message for those discussing in talk page.

Talk:Triennale di Milano

Rococo1700 (talk) 19:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Rococo1700! As far as I can see there's almost nothing on the building in that page, so a new page on that topic seems like an excellent plan. A word of warning, if I may: the Italian page on the building has been heavily edited by socks of a long-term hoax/nuisance editor. I don't know if you were planning to draw on it at all, but please know that not one word written by that person can be taken at face value (my involvement with the Triennale page was part of a massive clean-up effort). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 24

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Away

Just in case anyone's looking for me: for family reasons I'll be mostly or completely away from the project for several days from now, no idea for how many. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:53, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

"Taurus cattle" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Taurus cattle and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 2 § Taurus cattle until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. TNstingray (talk) 22:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Revisiting an old issue

18 months ago you helped with InilanNahklia (talk · contribs) who was having problems with copyright violation in articles. Fast forward to today and the same editor has done the same thing all over again at Dorset Police. As you have history here, do you want to provide some further guidance (or threat!). Thanks in advance. 10mmsocket (talk) 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

b.t.w. I tagged the violating revisions in Dorset Police 10mmsocket (talk) 21:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, 10mmsocket! I think that was mostly more a matter of close paraphrasing than of outright copyvio (a good part of the apparent overlap was a string of place-names, so not really copyrightable content). As you may have seen, I've a note for the user. Thanks for your vigilance! That page needs some serious clean-up, by the way. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:48, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Noted. Will take a look. And thank you. 10mmsocket (talk) 18:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Changes to Central School of Art and Design Alumni page

Hi, I have recently made a change to the Central School of Art and Design Alumni page which I think you created? I added my mother (Dee Harvey) but it was my first time editing a Wiki page and I slightly messed up! The G names are now appended to the F names list (and my mum’s new entry is at the bottom without a link). Sorry! I didn’t want to mess it up any more so thought I would just leave it and let you know… DrJakobi (talk) 21:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, DrJakobi! Thanks for letting me know that your first real edits didn't go quite according to plan – that's happened to us all, of course. I've removed your mother's name for now; in general, that list is for alumni who already have a Wikipedia article, or who those who very obviously should have one but don't (such as those with an entry in a major reference work such as Grove Art). You can read about our "entry criteria" for artists here. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:04, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Irish Wolfhound

Hi, yes I agree that it may not stick, but I personally think the article should be honest. Let's see. I personally think it is confusing and problematic if the infobox states it originated in Ireland but the lead says it was bred in England. How 'Irish' the breed is is debateable...

One question though: Do you think infobox should say 'England' or 'United Kingdom' or 'British Isles'? Fitzkarl (talk) 20:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd go for United Kingdom, I think. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:16, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Addressed

UK? United Kingdom? You just said a week ago to use United Kingdom.Justanother2 (talk) 22:56, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

David Gonzalez draft

Hi Justlettersandnumbers, I have written and edited this draft about a New York artist, "David Gonzalez" who is a bit difficult to classify (musician, poet, actor, teacher ....?) I have found references from independent sources of great relevance such as the New York Times, Washington Post and other news. I have seen that you are on the AfC participant list, and you have specialized in music. I ask you the great favor if you can review this article, thank you very much. Together we all make a better Wikipedia Miskito89 (talk) 10:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Miskito89, I'm afraid I have no interest in helping you earn a fee for promoting this person in our encyclopaedia. Please make a point of disclosing your paid-editor status whenever discussing this or any other editing you are doing for pay. I've moved a couple of other such pages of yours to draft space, please submit them for review in the usual way. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Notenik Draft

Wow! That was fast! I received a notification last night, while traveling, that my draft Notenik article had been tagged for speedy deletion and then, as soon as I had time to sit down and contest it, it was already gone! And this is a draft that had been in work for about two years, and reflected and incorporated improvements made over that period in response to previous objections -- none of which had suggested that the piece was pure spam. Could I please somehow retrieve the latest copy? Also, some explanation of why it is being classified as spam would be appreciated. A previous reviewer had noted that the piece was being drafted by the developer, and not a neutral third party, but stated that this was not against Wikipedia's rules. Since I began work on this article, its subject (the app) has been garnering additional positive attention and reviews from neutral third parties, and I have been dutifully adding these citations to the draft as they appeared. As I pointed out on another Wikipedia page, where I was asking for advice, the text that sounded like advertising was in a section clearly titled "Reception," where I was trying to summarize, with citations, how various neutral third parties had been responding to the app. Should I remove the section titled "Reception" for some reason? If so, could you state the reason? If other parts of the article are not written from a neutral point of view, then could you please point out which of those words are problematic? I am a hard-working independent developer who has developed an open-source app that a lot of other people have found useful, and have gone on the record stating this. Wikipedia has articles on other Mac software, and other note-taking apps, so while I am happy to rework the article in as many ways as I can to meet Wikipedia's guidelines, I am a bit mystified as to why you have seen fit to summarily delete the entire draft. Hhbowie (talk) 09:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hhbowie, you have 53 edits in this project, of which by my count exactly 3 have not been on the topic of Notenik; your username closely resembles the name of one of the authors of that product. It seems pretty certain that you have a financial interest in the topic, but I do not see any paid-editor disclosure on your user-page, nor any disclosure when you posted here (or indeed here or here). Please read and then abide by our policies, most particularly those regarding promotion and paid-contribution disclosure. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC) (PS I didn't delete the draft, merely nominated it for deletion; I see no advantage to the encyclopaedia in restoring it, but won't object if you choose to ask the deleting admin.)

I am the author of Notenik! I have never tried to hide this. As I mentioned previously, this had been noted by another editor early on, and he had said there was no rule against this, but that editors should be aware of it. I have no financial interest -- as the now-deleted article pointed out, the app is available for free in the Mac App Store, and it is open-source, so it is FOSS (free and open-source). I don't collect any user data, and I don't include any advertising, so there is really no opportunity for me to make any money on it. I develop Notenik for fun, and because it is a way of giving back to the community. So no, I have no financial interest, and I am not paid by anyone. Hhbowie (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, Hhbowie – it'd probably have been better to say all that right from the start. It still doesn't mean that you can promote it here, though, I'm afraid. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

If the article had not been deleted, I could have shown you the comment made by an earlier editor indicating that I was the app's developer -- so I had thought that my role had been stated "right from the start." And as I have made clear, I have no financial interest in the app, so I am not sure how you distinguish "promotion" from a summary of objective information obtained from cited, neutral third parties. Wikipedia already has a page comparing features of note-taking software, and it has articles about other pieces of note-taking software. All I am trying to do is make an appropriate addition to Wikipedia's store of knowledge so that its readers have comprehensive up-to-date information available to them. Hhbowie (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Connected contributor at IESE Business School

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, I have already placed the "Connected contributor" template at the top of the "IESE Business School" article discussion. I have also carefully read the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest page.

I see that I should propose the text after the "request edit" template and if there is conflict in the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard. Please tell me if this is correct or should I do something else.
From now on I will request the edits in IESE BS Talk.

With all due respect, is it now possible to remove the "undisclosed paid" template from the main IESE BS article?
Thank you very much for your help, between all of us we make a better and more professional wikipedia.Miskito89 (talk) 10:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Miskito89, thanks for doing that, and for understanding how you should proceed if you want to continue with paid editing (which I strongly recommend that you don't, by the way). I've taken some time to think about your request to remove the undisclosed-paid template. You seem to have about 24 edits to IESE Business School, of which all but the last three (which I reverted) were apparently WP:UPE; I don't see that your subsequent – and proper – disclosure changes that, so I really don't see any reason to remove it until the article is rewritten in a neutral and encyclopaedic manner. I notice that you've removed ULMA Construction from the disclosure on your talk-page; were those edits not paid editing too? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Hi Just... thank you very much for your prompt reply. Yes, I am working on modifying the texts that I will propose as requested edits in the appropriate place. And I will probably change from now on my relationship with Wikipedia. I have had no work relationship or payment or friendship with ULMA Construction, they just asked me if I could help clean up the text and I agreed. With the shock of the other day it was all very fast and I made the mistake.

Thanks again Miskito89 (talk) 11:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested page move

Can you delete the Xuantong Emperor page so then the Puyi page can be moved to Xuantong Emperor DueKinkajou4384 (talk) 01:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@DueKinkajou4384 That is a controversial move that is out of process. He shouldn't be referred to as the Xuantong Emperor because he is best known by his common name. Further, he was only the emperor for like two years as a baby, and later served as the emperor of Manchuko under a separate regnal name. He then lived out his days as Puyi, the commoner. If you want the page moved, please follow the directions at WP:RM and open a discussion on the article's talk page. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 01:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

DueKinkajou4384, please do as CaptainEek suggests – start a move discussion if you think it should be moved. For an uncontroversial move, you can request deletion of a redirect that's blocking it by adding a {{Db-move}} template to the redirect. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Editor inquiry

Regarding this comment: note the editor responded earlier regarding being a paid editor. isaacl (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Inertial Labs

I am curious about what you found advertorial about the inertial labs article? Quite a few editors have been working on the page in the short time between when it was published and when you returned it to draft. If you read the notes, I was trying to get exactly that type of help so I am curious why you drafted it when everyone seems to agree it was notable and the one editor took nearly 10k characters out of the article since it was tagged advertorial. This company produces tech that deal with military tech, UAV's, Space, Marine, autonomous vehicles and automation. Virtually anything that uses GPS location . They would meet the scientific criteria for publication.. Before you drafted it I was checking for adjectives and I was thinking of removing the advertorial tag. If you could give me some insight to your actions I would appreciate it so I know how to proceed. UCLAPhdCandidate (talk) 09:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Please see the notice on your talk-page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:09, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Trouted

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. For deleting a user page for WP:U1 that was just restored via WP:RFUND.

Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 23:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, OK, Awesome Aasim, if I was wrong to do so. But I don't know what page you're talking about, so here's a sardine for failing to link to it. Be well, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft: IDN MEDIA

Sorry, I don't know if someone has written the same article before. But it wasn't me who became its first author. If possible, please remove the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:IDN_Media. And I ask for directions if there are still revisions, so I can improve even better. Ida Yuliani (talk) 22:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Ida Yuliani, you haven't replied to my question here. There's no reason for Draft:IDN Media to be deleted unless deletion is requested by the user who created that page; you can however request deletion of Draft:IDN MEDIA, which you created – just add a {{db-g7}} template to it – and then edit the older draft. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:16, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Lierna (again)

Hello Justlettersandnumbers, hope you are well. Came across some instances of Lierna being referenced in unexpected places. (See Wikidata for Livio, Achille, and Pier Giacomo Castiglioni – the poor follows ought be left in peace, alas.) Not sure if this data is collected by some automated process or manually entered, but some of it seems dubious. Though this might be aligned with your interests. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:25, 16 April 2023 (UTC) PS: PS: I accidently left this note in your archive. I'll go tidy that up now. Sorry.

Hi, Cl3phact0, thanks for the note. I see you've been pretty busy, great work!

Yes, I'd say that's our Alec. The workings of Wikidata are pretty much a mystery to me – I see that the two IPs responsible have been briefly blocked as "LTA 208", but don't know what that means there. I also don't know if sockpuppet edits are routinely reverted in that project – Ymblanter, could I trouble you for your advice on that? Those IPs have been all over everywhere, but not in this Wikipedia, fortunately. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Bad edits are normally being reverted on Wikidata, but not always and often not immediately. If there are some specific IPs whose contribution needs to be reverted I probably can help with this - though it becomes difficult with the old contributions for obvious reasons. Ymblanter (talk) 10:59, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Ymblanter. The IPs in question are 31.190.201.227 and 188.12.182.29. Is there some documentation of LTA 208 in Wikidata? If so, it'd be good to link to it from this page (and perhaps vice versa too?). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:05, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Both have been already blocked by @Bovlb:, and I am afraid removing the contribution is non-trivial, as there are clearly some good edits. May be I will just go slowly through the contribution and see what needs to be removed. Ymblanter (talk) 11:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

That's very good of you, Ymblanter, I didn't mean to make extra work for you (I was thinking of simply reverting the edits as I would do in this project, so I'm glad I asked your advice). Please be warned that nothing, absolutely nothing, that this troublesome editor says can be trusted or taken at face value. I've never understood if that was because of a genuine desire to deceive, or simply an inability to distinguish fact from fiction. Many thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I see indeed that in the IP edits vandalism is mixed with perfectly good edits. Ymblanter (talk) 13:10, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. The "LTA 208" is a reference to d:Special:AbuseFilter/208, which is intended to detect edits by what we have been calling the "Lake Como spammer". See, for example, d:Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/All#Lake_Como. Rightly or wrongly, Wikidata doesn't create public pages to document long-term abusers, but the filter number is used to identify recurring issues. Bovlb (talk) 17:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Bovlb! I can't see the edit filter (insufficient permissions), but the IP mentioned in that deletion request is unmistakably the LTA user we call Alec Smithson, and was blocked on this wiki by me for that reason. I'm interested in collaborating with Wikidata admins on limiting the damage this user is able to cause, and – if I may – suggest that we at least agree to exchange information whenever another sock surfaces. If you'd be kind enough to email me some details of the edit filter you've set up, I might see if I can get someone to create something similar here (that's not something I know how to do myself). Thanks, regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Glad to co-operate. Yes, we tend to lock down abuse filters so people can't see them. It's really a clumsy tool and easy to avoid if you know what it's doing.

This particular filter is currently keying off mentions of "Lake Como", although I may extend that soon, and does not prevent edits or block the account. Instead it just prints a message, "Warning: There is a long-term abuser who repeatedly spams Wikidata with items about Lake Como. Their items are always deleted and the user blocked. This action has been automatically identified as potentially related to this blocked editor. If you are not this blocked user and believe this action to be constructive, you may submit it again to confirm it. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: LTA 208 (Lake Como)". This is because we have not yet identified a filter that we are confident will match this abuser without significant risk of false posiitves. Bovlb (talk) 19:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Jumping back in to the conversation: I have been trying to learn more about Wikidata and have made a fair number of contributions over the past few months. Some of these are related to the Castiglioni brothers (and, to the best of my ability, are "good" edits). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)