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Why can't we click columns to rearrange, high to low, low to high, etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony717 (talk • contribs) 22:36:44, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You should be able to, the table is sortable. I am to sort all the columns with a click. Check again - theWOLFchild 05:38, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Syria

according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Syrian_Army#Tanks syria has more tanks than NK. 13:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gendalv (talk • contribs)

Suggestion

The table is kind of wide. This could be solved be separating the power of the army, navy, and air force into 3 different sections. Should this idea be implemented?

1.126.111.65 (talk) 18:30, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Total" row entries are incorrect.

Total numbers are incorrect. e.g. Total cruisers are listed as 27, but the US is said to have 22, Russia 5, Egypt 2, and PROC 1; 22 + 5 + 2 + 1 = 30, not 27.

The entries for the totals are just strings containing numbers that a user has put in. Can we make the totals equal to the sum of all entries in the corresponding columns? --The Elysian Vector Fields (talk) 03:54, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy

  • Pakistan has one nuclear weapon? According to the Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction article, it has 150-160.
  • Attack helicopters - does that include naval helicopters (SH-60, naval Lynx & NH90 etc) armed with torpedoes or just helicopters used mainly over land like the AH-64, Tiger and Mil Mi 24/28 (and armed transport helicopters like the UH-60 & Mil Mi 17)?
  • Amphibious warfare ships - this can be deceptive of true naval power projection when a smaller landing ship is compared (numerically) with USS Wasp type amphibious assault ship. 82.45.152.152 (talk) 10:38, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi Navy ships

@Thewolfchild The entire list uses the IISS classifications for all the military equipment. That's why the it says the US navy has 19 frigates even though it officially doesn't have any because the IISS consider littoral combat ships to be frigates. Its the same way with the Saudi Riyadh class ships are classified as destroyers by the IISS even though they are officially frigates. Amaan4210 (talk) 13:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your OSE argument fails on both ends;

On the LCS page, as well the pages for two LCS-classes, there are numerous references to those ships being compared to frigates, considered as frigates and at point even possibly being re-classed as frigates.

On the Riyadh class page, and the original French class page, both list those ships as frigates, with no mention of destroyers, of them being destroyers, considered as destroyers or compared to destroyers (as I mentioned before, and you have still haven't addressed).

This is just a list page, a collection point of info found on WP, with links to WP articles, it shouldn't be at odds with the content of those articles. - wolf 21:59, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't matter, the list only uses one criteria to determine which ships are classified as destroyers and frigates which is the IISS's classification. According to it, if a ship has an FLD greater than 4,500 tons, than it's a destroyer. All the other countries in the list use the same classification. Amaan4210 (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jtbc, what "doesn't matter"? Are you addressing a particular item? (or just dismissing my entire reply). We don't change ship classifications, on a list that can impact multiple articles, just because a single source has drawn a random line on tonnage. Do you have anything else other than that to support your edit? - wolf 20:28, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The entire source only uses one single source to prevent disputes "All data apart from the number of nuclear weapons is taken from The Military Balance (2020 )." if you start using multiple sources, you'll have to end up rewriting the entire listAmaan4210 (talk) 03:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also can you give a better source to use because you can't use other Wikipedia articles as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amaan4210 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Point 1) Not necessarily. Having an entire page rely on a single source is generally a bad idea. If it's wrong... then what? Also, there is nothing wrong with adding more sources on a per-edit basis. This does net require that the "entrie article be rewritten".

Point 2) I'm not using an WP pages as refs for content I'm adding to the page. I used them to support my revert of your edit to the page. By drawing your attention to these other articles, if the straightforward issue of uniformity isn't enough for you, then there are always the sources cited on those pages to make you question your edit, and again support my revert of it.

Lastly, what is kinda' odd about this is that you are repeatedly arguing for your original edit, based on the original source, instead of asking yourself if your edit is really even correct in the place, again based on a single source. (fft) - wolf 03:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Riyadh ship page does not cite any source which says that the ships are frigates. Also, there is no consensus on what type of ship a destroyer or frigate is. Any country's navy can acquire a ship and call it what they want. Therefore, it's better to use one source that is independent, unbiased and has a fixed criteria for defining ship types. 2A02:C7F:A807:EA00:1460:13BF:8723:C029 (talk) 23:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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