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Do you believe in objective reality? In "The Platonic Representation Hypothesis" paper that was accepted to ICML this year (2024)[1], the authors claim that representations within artificial intelligence, specifically neural networks, are converging towards a common statistical model of reality, which they refer to as the "platonic representation." This concept draws from Plato's idea of an ideal reality that underlies the apparent world. As an AI researcher and philosopher, this hits close to home and I have plenty to say! First front, philosophy: The authors use the Cave allegory from Plato to designate an objective reality that is out there, and they give the modern formulation by the philosopher Hilary Putnam from 1984 [2] (the "Three Kinds of Scientific Realism" paper, which is great and you all should read it). The problem? I am a scientific anti-realist. Anti-realism, in the context of philosophy of science, generally denies that scientific theories or models provide a true or accurate depiction of an objective reality. Instead, anti-realists might argue that these theories are merely useful instruments for predicting and organizing experiences. "All models are wrong, some are useful." This means there is no "objective reality" to converge too. Second front, AI/ML: 1. The paper does not cite foundational works on related topics, such as the paper on score matching diffusion by Roeder [3] (2020), which provides proof that latent representations are functions of the data, independent of architecture or model. 2. Nature is freakishly non-linear, baby! The model stitching method assumes that representations from different models can be aligned through linear transformations. This assumption might not hold for more complex relationships that require non-linear mappings. 3. "All models are wrong, some are useful." The results depend heavily on the chosen metrics (CKA, SVCCA, etc.) to measure alignment. Different metrics might yield different results, and reliance on specific metrics can bias the findings. Metrics should be chosen and validated carefully to ensure they capture meaningful aspects of representation similarity. 4. Can we separate the observer from the observed? The observed alignment might be sensitive to hyperparameters and training conditions. Small changes in these settings could lead to different conclusions about the extent of representational convergence. Robustness checks and sensitivity analyses are necessary to validate the findings. Don't get me wrong. I want more of those papers! Think wide, think deep... Combine ideas from different fields and challenge the consensus. And be excellent to each other 🎸 #data #deeplearning #paper #ICML #philosophy #science

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Daniel A.

Data | Science | Engineering

4 週

Tim Scarfe, Luis Riera, have you seen this?

Sean Kempton

Founder at Tisquantum Limited

4 週

Excellent - "there is no "objective reality" to converge too" - this couldn't be more obvious if it tried. There are however certain underlying aspects of attribution (I don't have the right words) which stand out as having strong 'utility' to an objective observer. Just an addendum - I think we need to be careful in our definition of what a model is. Observers build models, but models can't build other models. Models are built on a foundation of assignment of identity (else how do you know what the internal boundaries of the model are?) - and this is something which only observers do. An LLM is a model - it is just a model configured by exposure to data - it isn't a model which builds a model.

Marcia van Oploo

Philosopher | AI-expert | Author | Artist | Speaker💡Consciousness, Meaning & Reality 🔎 Health, Learning & Climate

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Wonderful. “Can we separate the observer from the observed?” I have plenty of reasons - as a philosopher and experienced expert - to think: No, we are information carriers ourselves, we live not in reality, but are reality. With thinking and feeling we literally combine so-called past and future. That is quite confusing, to observe, I can tell. But also beautiful, to be actually part of nature, and not be part of a Truman show or so 😉.

Kenneth Lloyd

Scientist behind Software for Mod, Sim and Vis using Converged HPC / AI

4 週

Interesting. I wonder about the difference between alignment and coherence wrt. convergence?

Michael(Mike) Erlihson

AI Tech Lead and Principal Data Scientist @ Salt Security | 49K+ followers | PhD in Math | Deep Learning Paper Reviews| Deep Learning & Machine Learning Expert | NLP | Computer Vision |

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Great post, Daniel. Im wondering if any of these brand new LLMs are capable of getting close to your insights (without hints).

Eric Lortie

ARTIST. BUSINESS TROLL. NEUROSPICY AF 🌶️

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I've got a team of GPTs I've biased against the physicalist paradigm of science for artistic reasons and we do science that may be of interest to you: https://hipster.energy/science Anti realism is a logical scientific stance. They think they're measuring the thing casting the shadow but they actually can't know it's not just another shadow. Maybe AI is what allows us to develop the best model of reality but a model isn't the thing it models (unless it is?😅)

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Kiryl S.

MSc Student Mathematician 🔢 Statistician 📊 Analyst 💻Philosopher Generator of Ideas Creator of Content

4 週

I believe in an unobjective reality.

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Nir Regev

🇺🇸🇮🇱 Author | Ph.D. EE | Fractional CTO | LLM, Generative ai, radar signal processing and Machine vision researcher | expert witness | Unapologetically Jewish, American patriot, Zionist and Israeli 🇺🇸 🇮🇱

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You’re a Deep thinker, brother!

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Joe Glick

Biomimetic AI Pioneer, Chief Innovation Officer, Co-Founder

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The interactions in nature are not only non-linear, but also adapt dynamically and inconsistently. Bioluminescence leverages an array of chemicals. Multispecies symbiosis has shifting participants. I believe the goal of modeling is to learn more about what we don't know. The sheer magnitude of the latter should make us realize that model accuracy is limited and tentative. I believe that a multidisciplinary approach is critical. Discovering the microbiome blew up previous biological models and was the unexpected learning of a multidisciplinary team of scientists at Princeton trying to understand how the Hawaiian bobtail squid makes itself invisible while swimming in open water.

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