So how do you track the module progression and whether or not that module is supported at that level in a specific web browser?

i think gettin sass/less etc supported or even just compatible with chrome dev tools, that would be a better milestone then anything else.

IMO (:

#1, 2, 3, and 5: You should be ashamed of yourselves for trolling.

Re #4: To keep track of modules, follow the CSSWG twitter account for occasional updates, or CSSCommits for every change we make to our specs.

To know what's supported, the best thing I can recommend is http://caniuse.com.

Re #6: To get them compatible with Dev Tools, bug SASS/LESS about source maps. They should be supported in Dev Tools now.

SASS/LESS will never be supported natively, but we'll steal their good ideas and put them into the language. That's what preprocessors are for.

I'd say definitely the urls based on new features don't help to avoid those mistakes.

Just aside: If CSS3 is everything after CSS 2.1, why wouldn't follow that convention in doc urls?

Well, people need numbers. So there will be CSS4, CSS5, CSSx in the future. Of cause there will be no standard which will be named that way. But people will ask you "Do you know CSS4 and the things that can be done with that?". Mostly people with little or no knowledge about web-techniques.

Gracias, muchas gracias. ¡¡Por fin!! Alguien desde dentro lo dice alto y claro. Css4 es el nuevo espécimen de la criptoCsslogía.

_{Thank you, thank you very much. Finally! Someone from inside says it loud and clear. CSS4 is the new specimen criptCSSlogy}

Re #12: HTML7 (http://james.padolsey.com/general/html7-arrives/) is already out. Hence, CSS4 must come one day.

Wait - so to avoid confusion, the CSSWG decided to abolish the practice of leveling up the language spec as a whole, but instead allow each module to level up independently?

Seems like that creates more confusion to me. Maybe more freedom for individual module progress, but certainly not less confusion.

Even though there is no CSS4 Selectors, there are Selectors Level 4 http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-selectors4-20120823/

Sounds like a good plan to keep pumping out great new features. Keep up the good work:)

This makes a lot of sense, thank you for the clarification. I can't wait until somebody asks me if I know CSS4. Sharing this article.

Aside — smh at the number of trolling / inane comments on this post!

Well, then for fucks sake, call it CSS and not CSS3. It is the same thing as with HTML5, if there is no version 5 of HTML, just call it HTML and nobody gets confused.

Tab, really, wouldn't it be more honest to say that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CSS3?

CSS itself has no versions. Levels of modules say completely nothing about their 'coolness' because (as you mentioned in your post) many cool new modules start from Level 1 (and like CSS1 for all people not familiar with CSS WG process). The so called 'CSS validator' with 'CSS3' preset that uses level-based check whether the property belongs to any of CSS3 modules or not seems to be completely useless, since it sees absolutely no difference between modules in Rec stage and the early WDs.

The term 'CSS3' is now mostly used as a marketing buzzword, meaning not only 'New And Cool CSS Features', but primarily 'Cool CSS-like Staff Available Only In Our Super Duper Browser' (including many things that never were a part of any CSS spec at all, like -webkit-reflection and background-clip: text). The word 'HTML5' is also much used this way, but at least there is an actual W3C spec called 'HTML5'. BUT THERE IS NO SPEC CALLED 'CSS3'!

So I'd like to join Alexander Trefz's question: when JUST CSS will be available? When will http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS/ (that is marked at http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work as 'Latest stable CSS') be not the 2-year-old Group Notes, but the normative reference to the actual state of CSS development (with list of modules that are considered sage for implementation, test suites etc.)?

Re #7: Note, caniuse.com is a bit squiffy, just look at what browser 'support' flexbox. Both legacy and current rolled into one. I'd suggest checking the Mozilla Developer Network instead. :o)

Note, I've deleted a bunch of trolling or stupid comments. We shall maintain a level of decorum here, people!

(Cussing is fine. So is silliness. But content-less nonsense is not.)

Re #11: We just discussed today on the CSSWG telcon figuring out our strategy for urls, and seeing if we can change them.

Changing to "css-background4" would be nice, for example.

Re #12: Sure, but those people will be referring to their own private definition of the word. That's fine. We just shouldn't pretend that there's an official concept of "CSS4".

Re #14: I am 100% behind a CSS4 effort like that.

Re #16: No, we switched from language levels to independent modules with levels to make our jobs easier, not less confusing. ^_^

CSS 2.1 took 10 years to go from "done" to "actually done (Rec)". 10 YEARS. That's just silly. And even with that enormous span of time, there are still a goodly number of little-used features that aren't interoperable.

HTML realized the same thing, they just took a marginally different tack. HTML is a Living Standard - different parts are at different levels of stability, and that's fine. CSS, as a whole, is also a Living Standard, but individual modules can still do the standard "this draft is finished" thing. It's an insignificant difference semantically, but it's easier for some purposes (like determining patent protection under the W3C's licensing scheme).

Re #24: (And #22, for that matter)

It's perfectly appropriate to say that it's just "CSS", sure. I've amended my post somewhat to address this. The point is just that CSS, the language, won't have any more versions.

Odd, my comment didn't make it but I couldn't type a lot because I was on an iPad.

Anyway, so why not call it CSS then? I think that for once, it's actually beneficial that they are called CSS4, CSS3, etc because when you have to explain to clients, it's part of the things you can say that you are aware of that makes you stay "current".

Re #33: You can call things whatever you want when you're trying to sell billable hours to clients. I won't judge.

That has nothing to do with what we talk about around fellow clueful people, though.

Thanks for the clarification. I've seen reference to some magical CSS4 wondered where it came from...

Thinking of CSS as broken into modules as opposed to versions, makes much more sense when trying to explain it. After all, we still use selectors and properties from CSS 2.1...

Part of the problem of course, is that there is an expectation on the part of clients and employers who are looking for a specific "subset" of designer who knows CSS3 instead of just CSS as a whole.

Re #29: But there is no official concept of "CSS3" either, is it? Officially there is just CSS, which is based on CSS2.1 spec and includes a set of differently leveled more-or-less stable modules (like it is defined in http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS/#css), isn't it?

Is there a list of the current CSS modules somewhere?

P.S.

"CSS is on its last version as a language as a whole, so it would be appropriate to just drop the number entirely and refer to everything from now on as just "CSS"."

• Or maybe it should be just "The New CSS" ... if you know what I mean :) Just kidding of course.

Re #38: Same thing, really.

Re #39: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work is our giant list of modules.

Alternately, you can check out http://dev.w3.org/csswg, or the actual Mercurial repo at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/csswg.

A bit off topic but just an example of how these numbers confuse people.

A big client of ours recently called worried sick that their main competitor had a self confessed "WEB 2.0" blog and they wanted one although they couldn't see anything innovative on that blog compared to what they already had :-D

Why use confusing urls when it is so easy to use more specific urls. Rather than use the confusing "css4-backgrounds" url, Try css-backgrounds-l4 or css-backgrounds-4

Scott A. Tovey

Re #44: Why use confusing urls when it is so easy to use more specific urls. Rather than use the confusing "css4-backgrounds" url, Try css-backgrounds-l4 or css-backgrounds-4

Scott A. Tovey

WOW! black text on black background. Sure does explain the lack of non confusing urls.

Re #45: Yes, we're going to try and move to better urls, like your last one

The background is only enormous on browsers that don't yet support B&B3 - they're failing to parse a 'background' shorthand that sets the background-size to be a 2px-thick line on the right side. I suggest bugging those browsers to fix their support. ^_^

Re #14: https://github.com/mitchellh/html7 You must check this out ... its absolutely amazing!

Abolishing version numbers for the language as a whole makes total sense. In my experience, browsers only implement whatever pieces of the spec they feel like anyway, so who are we kidding?

Let's watch the different modules level up, and just keep track of each browser's module support level. Then we can determine the pieces that are ready for primetime based on browser support and the particular browser ecosystem of our sites' users. Aren't we as an industry already recommending this approach?

Thanks for the article. I'll stop saying "CSS3" (or "CSS4"...) now!

Most of technical oriented people likes increasing mumbers! All other meanings may be correct - but mostly ignored. In mind: The higher the number the higher the fnctionality. So , now you know ist less helpfull.

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