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Category:Lists of songs with special titles

Propose merge Category:Lists of songs with special titles into Category:Lists of songs

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Nominator's rationale: Merge - this is a small category and, given that its contents have been decimated at AFD recently and the deletions are ongoing, seems unlikely to be getting any larger any time soon. The name is somewhat POV in that it's a matter of opinion as to what constitutes a "special" title. Just doesn't seem necessary to split off these sorts of song lists from the parent cat. Otto4711 21:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pokémon species by gender

This is a group of creatures that it's trivial to characterize by gender. Type matters; Pokémon are more vulnerable to attacks by type. Generation matters; Pokémon can only evolve from certain generations. Even ownership matters; certain characters are identified with certain creatures. But gender never matters; there aren't special attacks or affinities based on the sex of the critter. In only a few cases is it even clear (Nidoran♂, for example) what gender a Pokémon is. I say delete all.--Mike Selinker 20:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shudder...I mean, delete all - per the excellent reasoning of the nominator and as overcategorization by sex/gender. Otto4711 21:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles to be trimmed

Propose delete Category:Articles to be trimmed

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Nominator's rationale: Delete as POV and unnecessary; this category was part of a scheme to try to categorize articles that an editor thinks are "to be trimmed" which basically means that they are "too long", a POV based categorization: this one categorizes those with sections that are "too long", another Category:Articles that are too long - deleted following this debate - categorized those that were "too long" in total; note: the subcategory Category:Pages over 100K has also been nominated for deletion. Carlossuarez46 20:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lutheran saints

Propose rename Category:Lutheran saints to Category:People celebrated in the Lutheran Calendar of Saints

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Nominator's rationale: Rename, The category name is profoundly misleading and this fact is stated on the page: there are no Lutheran saints. From the category page: "The Lutheran church does not officially recognize saints. However, it does have a liturgical calendar which commemorates some specific individuals whom it believes to have been particularly devoted to spreading the Lutheran faith. The individuals listed below are all included on at least one Lutheran liturgical calendar." Clavecin 19:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lutheran primates

Propose delete Category:Lutheran primates

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Nominator's rationale: Delete - This category does little for organizing material in Category:Lutheran bishops. It looks like the other subcategories in Category:Lutheran bishops are sufficient. All of the subcategories in Category:Lutheran primates are already integrated into Category:Lutheran bishops, so no merging is necessary. Also, as repeatedly stated, having parallel category trees for bishops and primates can be very confusing. It would therefore be appropriate to delete this category. Dr. Submillimeter 19:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lutheran Primates of Finland

Propose rename Category:Lutheran Primates of Finland to Category:Archbishops and bishops of Turku

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Nominator's rationale: Rename - The title "archbishop" or "bishop" is used more frequently than "primate" for these people. See the articles themselves or the article Archbishop of Turku. As currently named, this primate category causes confusion. Using alternate names like this in general is very misleading. Dr. Submillimeter 18:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Primates of Eastern Christianity

Propose merge Category:Primates of Eastern Christianity into Category:Primates (religion)

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Nominator's rationale: Merge - Except for this category, categories on Christianity are not divided into Eastern Christianity and Western Christianity subcategories. I therefore suggest upmerging Category:Primates of Eastern Christianity into Category:Primates (religion). Dr. Submillimeter 18:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yet there are articles for Eastern Christianity

and Western Christianity. It seems helpful to distinguish cats similarly. Pastorwayne 21:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pride & Prejudice

Propose delete Category:Pride & Prejudice

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Nominator's rationale: Delete and merge. An indiscriminate list of articles having anything to do with Pride & Prejudice, including adaptations, characters, places, and literary movements. Perhaps creation of Category:Adaptations of Pride & Prejudice and similar categories would be more useful. María (habla conmigo) 18:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I didn't actually create the category-- someone else had put the category "Pride & Prejudice" on one lone article; I just gave it a page and added more articles to the category. I was surprised by how much media there was, related to Pride and Prejudice; I do think that it should have a category, but you're right in suggesting that it may need to be more specific. I like "Adaptations of Pride and Prejudice," but it would be nice to have something that could include everything related to the novel, just because it is so very large in the world of classic literature. Elbeonore 19:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this material is or should be categorized in the existing extensive category system housed under Category:Jane Austen. We already have categories for film adaptations, TV adaptations, a general adaptations category and one for characters. Frankly that whole structure is a bit of a rat's nest already and this categroy unnecessarily complicates it even further. Otto4711 19:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NRHP theme - religious

Propose rename Category:NRHP theme - religious to Category:Registered Historic Places of religious function

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Nominator's rationale: Rename. Category as named violates WP:NCCAT where it says, "Don't hard-code the category structure into names". In addition, the word "theme" has been identified as confusing to the actual purpose of the category. See also prior discussions at: (a) the NRHP WikiProject and (b) the deletion discussion in the CFD archive. Ipoellet 16:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Emergent philosophy

Propose delete Category:Emergent philosophy

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Nominator's rationale: Category seems to be a random grab-bag of newish schools of philosophy (ie New Philosophers) and several new-age type pseudophilosophies with no real relation between items, no inclusion criteria. Note a corresponding article was deleted here. ⇒ bsnowball 16:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Primates of the Anglican Communion

Propose merge Category:Primates of the Anglican Communion into Category:Anglican primates

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Nominator's rationale: Merge - At the moment, Category:Anglican primates only contains Category:Primates of the Anglican Communion. I see no reason for the extra layer of categorization, so I recommend merging everything into Category:Anglican primates. Dr. Submillimeter 15:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge per nom. Anglican primates is shorter, and it will survive any possible schism in the Anglican Communion (although this may possibly be the point; there are Anglicans not in communion with Canterbury.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge per nom. The mention of schism suggests a possible reason why the categories were originally layered as they were. But there's no present purpose in the layered categories if no non-Communion articles have been identified. Ipoellet 16:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
by all means, upmerge Pastorwayne 21:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Primates of the North American Old Catholic Church

Propose rename Category:Primates of the North American Old Catholic Church to Category:Presiding Archbishops of the North American Old Catholic Church

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Nominator's rationale: Rename - The North American Old Roman Catholic Church website uses the term "Presiding Archbishop" to identify their leaders. This category should be renamed appropriately. Dr. Submillimeter 15:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:English county towns

Propose rename Category:English county towns to Category:County towns in England

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Nominator's rationale: Rename, to convention "in" form for categories of settlements. Casperonline 14:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:EastEnders people

Propose delete Category:EastEnders people

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Nominator's rationale: Delete - improper person by project overcategorization, per strong precedent. Otto4711 13:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 19:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Notable" category"

merge and rename "notable" is POV words. Wol8 13:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as per. And, of course, they have to be notable to be on Wikipedia in the first place. Lugnuts 18:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - my concern about renaming the sports spectators one is that it opens up the category to misuse and abuse. While normally we don't use words like "notable" or "famous" in category names in this instance it's important that the category is clear that it is for people who are notable for their spectating and not open to anyone who has a Wikipedia article and also watches sports. Otto4711 19:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Rename per nom; "notable" has to be implied or it ought to be added to every category. Carlossuarez46 19:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:3rd Rock from the Sun

Propose delete Category:3rd Rock from the Sun

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Nominator's rationale: Delete - recreation of category deleted May 6. Speedy denied, claiming "substantially different use" which isn't true. As with close to a hundred similar categories deleted over the last several weeks, this category is not required for the material it contains. The articles are interlinked and the sub-cats are in their appropriate separate category structures. Otto4711 12:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I'm allowed to vote on this, having created the category, but I want to point out that this new version does differ from the original. The original was deleleted because "other than the show's article, everything in the category [was] an improperly categorized cast/crew article." There are no cast/crew articles in the new version, making it a substantially different case. While the "3rd Rock from the Sun characters" category did exist at that time, the newly-created "3rd Rock from the Sun episodes" did not. Hegria66 16:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete What Otto is saying is that you don't need a parent category named after a show solely to house characters and episodes subcategory. Both characters and episodes are handled by their own categorization schemes, and a reader also can view indexes of links to articles about the characters and episodes by visiting the main article for the show. The general rule of thumb is that if a reader can visit the main article for a television series and easily navigate from there to everything related to the show then you don't also need a separate category that serves the same navigational function. Dugwiki 16:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (whether speedy or not) per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 19:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Luxembourg culture

Propose delete Category:Luxembourg culture

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Nominator's rationale: Created in error. Existing category Category:Luxembourgian culture already exists and covers same category area. Rgds, Trident13 08:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reverse merge Luxembourg is a better adjective here than Luxembourgian; if we decide to keep the existing one, make this a category redirect, or it will happen again. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse merge per Septentrionalis above. Ipoellet 17:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:East Jerusalem

Propose delete Category:East Jerusalem

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Nominator's rationale: Editors were unhappy with the ambiguity of the title, since the borders of the name "East Jerusalem" as it's used today are not clearly defined. Some objected to including ancient sites in a category for a 20 year municipality. There seems to be consensus now that the category should either be renamed to "Historic East Jerusalem" (I prefer something like "East Jerusalem 1948-67") or just deleted, since a list has been created to replace it. I myself am neutral on this issue. (Discussion took place at Category talk:East Jerusalem) nadav (talk) 05:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As the nominator has said, the creation of this category has invited enormous POV-pushing as several editors have attempted to add many historical sites to the category that is supposed to cover a relatively brief period in the history of Jerusalem. Other category titles are unwieldy and any way it's unclear what articles are to be added there. Thus, deletion is the only viable option. Beit Or 14:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Controversial Beauty Pageant Contestants

Propose speedy delete Category:Controversial Beauty Pageant Contestants

Nominator's rationale: I have to admit spluttering when I saw this... EXTREMELY POV title and quite unnecessary cateogory. PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 03:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per subjective criteria. If it is kept it needs a capitalization correction per the speedy criteria. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 14:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A spot check suggests that these are in fact contestants about whose title or standing there have been controversies; most of them seem to have a section "Controversy" in the TOC. This may require close monitoring, but let's see what happens. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wesleyan Univerity faculty

Propose speedy delete Category:Wesleyan Univerity faculty

Nominator's rationale: Category with correct spelling Category:Wesleyan University faculty has been created, and Category:Wesleyan Univerity faculty is now empty. T@nn 01:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:German Magic: The Gathering players

Propose delete Category:German Magic: The Gathering players

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Nominator's rationale: Single person, unnecessary Category cruft. Hu 01:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I made this yesterday. We have a convention for sportspeople to make them "(Nationality) (sport) players," and we have consistently put competitive game players (poker, chess, bridge, Go, Scrabble) into Category:Sportspeople by sport and Category:Sportspeople by nationality. So I've been hunting these down and splitting them. As to the cruft part, it's possible that Kai Budde could get deleted, but I don't think so, as he may be the top Magic player of all time, and Magic is the top card game circuit other than poker in terms of publicity and prize money. So in my mind, he has to go in "German Magic: The Gathering players," because of the unique convention of Category:Sportspeople that all players should be categorized this way, whether or not they're the only one in their category. Whether someone like Peer Kroger, another high-profile German Magic player, joins Budde someday in the category is up to article writers.--Mike Selinker 15:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Criminal law by nationality

Propose rename Category:Criminal law by nationality to Category:Criminal law by country

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Nominator's rationale: Rename, to match Category:Law by country. Baridiah 01:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Mowsbury 13:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Ipoellet 17:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Welsh Peers

Rename to Category:Peers of Wales, to match Peers of England, Peers of Scotland, and Peers of Ireland. -- Prove It ^(talk) 00:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a figment of the originator's imagination. There is no Welsh Peerage; these are Peers of the United Kingdom (or England) who have titles from Wales. There might be a category for Welshmen who are peers, but this is not it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As Septentrionalis's says there has never been a Welsh peerage. Baridiah 01:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the creator is trying to follow the suggestion of Septentrionalis and create a "Welshmen who are peers" category within the existing UK peers convention. Rgds, --Trident13 08:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If so, he is not doing particularly well; the articles include the Earl of Cawdor, who is a Campbell; and several peers who live in the Home Counties and seem quite English. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This does not fit into the existing convention, it breaks and ignores it. Please read up on how the peerage works. It is also incorrectly capitalized. Mowsbury 13:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadians of European descent

Delete as redundant. 83% of Canadians are caucasian, therefore of European descent. That means well over 80% of entries for Canadian people on Wikipedia ought to have this category, making it effectively pointless. Furthermore, it's often technically used in violation of WP:NOR and WP:V, as editors simply add it to any white person. I'm aware it's also a parent category of "Canadians of Scottish descent", etc., but. all those specific ethnicity sub-categories are already in Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and that is sufficient. Mad Jack 06:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Categorization like this in general just leads to category clutter, and it does not look very useful for navigation. Dr. Submillimeter 09:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a first step to removing all ethnic/race categories. Carlossuarez46 19:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 :'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Merge''' - Except for this category, categories on Christianity are not divided into [[Eastern Christianity]] and [[Western Christianity]] subcategories. I therefore suggest upmerging [[:Category:Primates of Eastern Christianity]] into [[:Category:Primates (religion)]]. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 18:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Yet there are '''articles''' for [[Eastern Christianity]]
+and [[Western Christianity]]. It seems helpful to distinguish cats similarly. [[User:Pastorwayne|Pastorwayne]] 21:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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