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2024 Mannheim stabbing

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WP:NOTNEWS. Nothing to indicate that this will generate significant lasting coverage.TheLongTone (talk) 14:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC) TheLongTone (talk) 14:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Germany. Skynxnex (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

  Keep

  1. The event has a lot of news coverage

  2. There is a clear perpetrator who was caught on camera

  3. There are multiple victims

  4. The police have released a report on the incident in its immediate aftermath Salfanto (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

You do know that this is only the first day of the event right? Salfanto (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

That is all the more reason why we should not have an article on it. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. The attack has received widespread global attention and clear impact on the highest political levels in Germany for a politically motivated attack on notable Islam-critic Michael Stürzenberger. Clear indications that this will have significant lasting impact/coverage. See also Stabbing of Salman Rushdie and 2024 Wakeley church stabbing (bishop Mari Emmanuel) for similar recent attacks. Thismess (talk) 16:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Widespread coverage. Obvious keep. Thriley (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep This nominator have a history of deletion nomination which fail to pass, its obvious that this guy have no idea about the deletion criteria Afif Brika1 (talk) 18:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

  Why are you attacking the editor and not the nomination itself? I looked through his past nominations and they were all fine and consensus agreed with him/is agreeing with him. His AfD stats show 75%+ which is a fine number for AfD.

  As to the article itself, even though it may achieve notability in the future it has yet to. WP:TOOSOON applies here and we should not be creating these articles the minute these events occur. Thus I support the nomination in Delete (Or turning into a draft) until it is actually possible for notability to be ascertained. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Not only agreeing with the editor above, but considering the past week of news regarding the surge of right-wing nationalism in Germany, this attack will surely stir something in the coming days/weeks.

Volkish Kurden (talk) 19:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Michael Stürzenberger would appear to be a notable victim and the perpetrator is likely to face trial. There is likely to be ongoing media coverage. At least allow the German judicial processes to run their course, before passing final judgement. This incident is already a sub-article of the Michael Stürzenberger, so a Merger with that article is also an alternative to deletion. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 21:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to Michael Stürzenberger. There are alot of WP:CRYSTAL arguments here. I see no reason why this can't be covered in another article for the time being. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep - Stabbing of Salman Rushdie and Salman Rushdie are separate articles; and also taking into account that there were others affected in the attack besides Michael Stürzenberger himself, I think it is best to keep them as independent articles.

  ComradeHektor (talk) 04:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep as a clear case of WP:RAPID. Not even a day has passed since the event. The initial news coverage has not passed yet, and we're talking about lasting notability that can't really be proven until at least a few weeks later. The attack also involves notable activist and critic of Islam Michael Stürzenberger. Also considering the recent stabbing attacks in Australia (2024 Wakeley church stabbing and Bondi Junction stabbings) still in the news cycle and the current surge of right-wing nationalism in Germany, I think there will be signifiant news coverage in the next few days. 106.71.58.30 (talk) 04:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep notable people involved and the whole event was recorded which will of course circulate the internet for years to come, and therefore I think deserves a stand-alone article. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 05:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep are you for real? Tons of coverage and this is on par with 2023 Quran burnings in Sweden and 2019 London Bridge stabbing. Alexceltare2 (talk) 10:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment:

1. when a politician is attacked, it is notable and important for history/archive/future reference. Compare with shooting of Slovak prime minister.
2. it already has very significant coverage not only in Germany but internationally - every major newspaper in Sweden ran a story.
3. this will become a major thing in right-wing circles as well as anti-immigration circles. That makes a Wikipedia-article and factual foundation even more important.

83.185.46.97 (talk) 07:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Plenty of national and international coverage, high-profile and public incident, multiple victims, etc. Johndavies837 (talk) 12:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep no doubt in that in my opinion Braganza (talk) 12:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Have any of the keep votes readWP:NOTNEWS. Altho having read that the first victim is notable I'd amend my opinion to a merge to this unpleasant individual's article.TheLongTone (talk) 13:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment

1. I know nothing about the person in question, but noted that you seem to hold unfavorable views of him. Quote: "merge to this unpleasant individual's article".
2. is it possible that your negative views of the person affect your judgement?
3. you are very alone in thinking that this shouldn't be a standalone article.

83.185.46.97 (talk) 13:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• DeleteMerge to Michael Stürzenberger: This is a BLP violation. Low profile individuals have been named in this article as having committed crimes without any conviction being obtained. Per WP:BLPCRIME this shouldn't be happening. This needs to be sent to draft at the very least. However it would be better to merge any useful material to the Michael Stürzenberger article as they seem to be the only notable person in this incident. TarnishedPath^talk 15:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• This event has caused a widespread media-echo, at least in the German-speaking countries. There's also an outrage, how this could happen. Yes, we are looking at a party/movement that is Islam-critical to Anti-Islamic, and attacker who seems to be from Afghanistan (so likely a Muslim), but who has lived in Germany for some time and is married to a German woman. It is likely that this event will stay in the heads of the people, and not be linked to one of the proponents of the party who organized the event where it happened. In that context, the focus should be to keep this article, and to amend what is missing from the German-language version, rather than deleting it.--Eptalon (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

You're doing a great job of radicalizing people; keep it up! 172.56.105.187 (talk) 01:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)