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Make the start of the article say Windows Live Messenger (formerly knows as MSN Messenger and sometimes known simply as Messenger) AhmedEdits (talk) 09:30, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Windows Live Messenger → MSN Messenger – Ten years after its end, I would argue that "MSN Messenger" is the appropriate title as per WP:COMMONNAME ("as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources"), as it's by far the more common name used for the program despite its latter-day renaming to "Windows Live" Messenger by Microsoft. The product hit its peak while under the former, original name. Here are some examples of recent 2020s sources which use the "MSN Messenger" name [1], [2], [3], [4]. Even news sources from 2013-14, when the product got shut down and was using the "Windows Live" Messenger name, still used its old name, e.g. [5], [6], [7]. I could scarcely find any reliable sources in the last ~10 years that used the "Windows Live" moniker as the primary title for the product. Also, the predominant colloquial name of simply "MSN" is inherently tied to the "MSN Messenger" name, and the entire Windows Live branding (of which "Windows Live" Messenger was a part) has been entirely discontinued by Microsoft. Lastly, our current article already has "MSN Messenger" as the primary name in the lede. — Crumpled Fire • contribs • 00:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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	[[:Windows Live Messenger]] → {{no redirect\|MSN Messenger}} – Ten years after its end, I would argue that "MSN Messenger" is the appropriate title as per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] ("as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources"), as it's by far the more common name used for the program despite its latter-day renaming to "Windows Live" Messenger by Microsoft. The product hit its peak while under the former, original name. Here are some examples of recent 2020s sources which use the "MSN Messenger" name [https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/st-louis-in-praise-of-growing-up-with-msn-messenger], [https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-lost-world-of-msm-messenger/], [https://www.indy100.com/viral/gen-z-guide-to-msn-2665775581], [https://www.techradar.com/computing/msn-messenger-needs-to-return-in-windows-12-to-take-on-whatsapp-and-imessage]. Even news sources from 2013-14, when the product got shut down and was using the "Windows Live" Messenger name, still used its old name, e.g. [https://www.theverge.com/2014/8/29/6082199/msn-messenger-shutting-down-15-years-history], [https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28987797], [https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2014/08/31/msn-messenger-is-completely-shutting-down-on-october-31st/?sh=5f37995348fb]. I could scarcely find any reliable sources in the last ~10 years that used the "Windows Live" moniker as the primary title for the product. Also, the predominant colloquial name of simply "MSN" is inherently tied to the "MSN Messenger" name. Lastly, our current article already has "MSN Messenger" as the primary name in the lede. — '''[[User:Crumpled Fire\|<span style="font-family: Lucida Fax; color: #2695A9">Crumpled Fire</span>]]'''<small> • ''[[Special:Contributions/Crumpled Fire\|contribs]]'' •</small> 00:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)		[[:Windows Live Messenger]] → {{no redirect\|MSN Messenger}} – Ten years after its end, I would argue that "MSN Messenger" is the appropriate title as per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] ("as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources"), as it's by far the more common name used for the program despite its latter-day renaming to "Windows Live" Messenger by Microsoft. The product hit its peak while under the former, original name. Here are some examples of recent 2020s sources which use the "MSN Messenger" name [https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/st-louis-in-praise-of-growing-up-with-msn-messenger], [https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-lost-world-of-msm-messenger/], [https://www.indy100.com/viral/gen-z-guide-to-msn-2665775581], [https://www.techradar.com/computing/msn-messenger-needs-to-return-in-windows-12-to-take-on-whatsapp-and-imessage]. Even news sources from 2013-14, when the product got shut down and was using the "Windows Live" Messenger name, still used its old name, e.g. [https://www.theverge.com/2014/8/29/6082199/msn-messenger-shutting-down-15-years-history], [https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28987797], [https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2014/08/31/msn-messenger-is-completely-shutting-down-on-october-31st/?sh=5f37995348fb]. I could scarcely find any reliable sources in the last ~10 years that used the "Windows Live" moniker as the primary title for the product. Also, the predominant colloquial name of simply "MSN" is inherently tied to the "MSN Messenger" name, and the entire [[Windows Live]] branding (of which "Windows Live" Messenger was a part) has been entirely discontinued by Microsoft. Lastly, our current article already has "MSN Messenger" as the primary name in the lede. — '''[[User:Crumpled Fire\|<span style="font-family: Lucida Fax; color: #2695A9">Crumpled Fire</span>]]'''<small> • ''[[Special:Contributions/Crumpled Fire\|contribs]]'' •</small> 00:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)