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== 7.1 update? ==
 
According to MozillaZine, the development of Netscape has ceased. Could someone update to the article that 7.1 was the last release?
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Your September 12th page lists that date (1994) as the 1.0 release, yet this page says December... which is it? It's frustrating when two pages inside [[wikipedia]] have conflicting information. [[User:JoeHenzi|JoeHenzi]] 10:27, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 
Does anyone know the release dates for every single version? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/115.84.139.47|115.84.139.47]] ([[User talk:115.84.139.47|talk]]) 04:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== BeOS ==
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--[[User:Minghong|minghong]] 18:22, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 
I have another suggestion. Please see [[Talk:Netscape/Archives/2012#Names_and_version_numbers]]. &ndash; [[User:Smyth|Smyth]]\[[User_talk:Smyth|<sup><font colorstyle="color:gray;">[[User_talk:Smyth|talk]]</font></sup>]] 09:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 
== New criticism section ==
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I realize this perfectly. However, would you expect a program to be the same after 5 versions? The problem with Netscape is that they changed the browser's complete name too often. If they called it "Navigator" all the time, there wouldn't be so many pages here. --[[User:Megara|Mégara (Мегъра) - D. G. Mavrov]] 13:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
::Possibly have [[Netscape Navigator (original)]] and [[Netscape Navigator 9]], with the page [[Netscape Navigator]] as a disambiguation. Or even have the current NS9 on the [[Netscape Navigator]] article, and shift the old one to [[Netscape Navigator (original)]]. By no means could they ever be merged due to having little in common with each other. I don't actually mind the current organisation at the moment, although perhaps it would be nicer having the new release as the [[Netscape Navigator]] article, and kick the old one off to [[Netscape Navigator (original)]]. Anyway, anyone else got any ideas? [[User:Marbles|/Marbles]] 14:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 
== Mislabeled screenshot ==
 
The image at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MainPage-Netscape4macfixed-brion.png refereed to in this article is not a screenshot of Navigator 4.07 as the article states. That's for many reasons. 1. Navigator 4.0x did not have a "Shop" button, that came later on. 2. The menu bar clearly states that it is Communicator.
 
== Proposed new section: "Innovations" ==
 
The criticisms section ends with a paragraph saying that even though NN ignored most web standards, it pioneered a whole lot of ideas that later went on to become standards in their own right. This is especially important nowadays in relation to Chrome OS, as the [[NPAPI]] provided the first (as far as I know) implementation of an application running in a plugin via the browser, and is still implemented in every major modern browser except IE to handle all flash, video, etc. content. I think that a list of innovations and "firsts" would add a lot to this article.
 
[[User:KHAAAAAAAAAAN|KHAAAAAAAAAAN]] ([[User talk:KHAAAAAAAAAAN|talk]]) 13:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Pre 1.0 versions ==
 
Mabdul, in your [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Netscape_Navigator&diff=368371211&oldid=367844970 edit], you removed a link to http://web.archive.org/web/19990423023723/browserwatch.internet.com/news/story/bw-news1.html saying there was a .9x version. I believe there was, and you can still [http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/browsers.html download] .9b, .93b, .94b2, .96b .
 
Theres also an official link at [http://netscape.1command.com/client_archive0-1x.php Netscape Archived Client Products] and another more complete one at [http://sillydog.org/narchive/full123.php Netscape Browser Archive]. I'd rather cleanup the netscape browser articles after we finish with the more obscure ones...Netscape will be a massive project =/.[[User:Smallman12q|Smallman12q]] ([[User talk:Smallman12q|talk]]) 01:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 
:hehe, look closely: I add the link! that was a fast edit to not forget the link and give ofters the possibility to add it before me. Yeah you're right: there are articles that need more cleanup than netscape... [[User talk:Mabdul|<b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b>]] 07:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
:oh and there were the os/2 version totally missing! [[User talk:Mabdul|<b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b>]] 07:36, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
::http://sillydog.org/narchive/full123.php links and downloads to very old versions (like 0.4!) [[User talk:Mabdul|<b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b>]] 15:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 
== On the fly web page display ==
 
Did someone check the veracity of this statement (rise of netscape p2)
 
"An important innovation that Netscape introduced in 1994 was the on-the-fly display of web pages, where text and graphics appeared on the screen as the web page downloaded. Earlier web browsers would not display a page until all graphics on it had been loaded over the network connection; this often made a user stare at a blank page for as long as several minutes. With Netscape, people using dial-up connections could begin reading the text of a web page within seconds of entering a web address, even before the rest of the text and graphics had finished downloading. This made the web much more tolerable to the average user."
 
This is a little hazy for me but the way I remember it this is the feature that actually first drew me away from NN because it didn't do this whist IE 3 or 4 did. I did find a reference to this feature [http://www.tidbits.com/iskm/iskw2html/pt3/ch13/ch13d1.html here] but have found precious little other info. Maybe some version of IE displayed loaded text even before the entire page loaded? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/167.232.248.15|167.232.248.15]] ([[User talk:167.232.248.15|talk]]) 16:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
==still used==
[http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381526,00.asp] even 2.0 is still used interesting [[User:Ottawa4ever|Ottawa4ever]] ([[User talk:Ottawa4ever|talk]]) 20:46, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 
== Style sheet implementation ==
 
The article correctly mentions that Netscape Communicator 4.x was crash-prone when attempting to load webpages containing [[Cascading Style Sheets]]. What should be mentioned is that Netscape had submitted a competing alternative to CSS called [[JavaScript Style Sheets]] that was implemented in Communicator 4.x. CSS implementation was carried out as a poor, hurried hack that attempted to convert CSS into JSSS. No competing browser implemented JSSS focusing instead on CSS which the W3C adopted as a web standard. [[User:Fortguy|Fortguy]] ([[User talk:Fortguy|talk]]) 21:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 
: Do you have a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] to verify that this is what happened? -- [[User:JTSchreiber|JTSchreiber]] ([[User talk:JTSchreiber|talk]]) 05:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 
== External links modified ==
 
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== Citing the date ==
 
I was doing clean up in [[Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/December 15]]. It seems that the article can't go to the OTD of the main page since the date for "1994 – Netscape Navigator 1.0, the leading web browser in the 1990s, was first released" is not cited in the article. You can fix it and have it on the main page. Regards. --[[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 19:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 
== "all but" as "almost"? ==
 
I have made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netscape_Navigator&diff=prev&oldid=1121544379 this edit] - see the reason described in the edit summary.
 
Some people use "all but" instead of "almost", though the latter is much more common and logical. Maybe they think that "all but" is a stronger version of "almost". And indeed, the [https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/all-but Longman dictionary] defines it as "'''almost completely'''", but the '''rest''' of the most prestigious dictionaries define it as "'''almost'''". So, probably the Longman is wrong. If last year I saw '''100''' pigeons in the park, and now I see only '''5''', then I can say '''"They almost disappeared"''', but what if if their number reduced to '''2'''? Should I say: '''"They all but disappeared"'''? [[Special:Contributions/85.193.215.210|85.193.215.210]] ([[User talk:85.193.215.210|talk]]) 02:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)